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| Quote ="The Sleaze"Why would anyone want Campese, he's dog turd!!'"
Campese is a waste of a player always injured and even when he does play he does very little- no wonder Canberra got rid. Sio is a decent player and Kelly has his injury problems. For me though I would rather see halifax players play for us rather than any HKR players whether they be better than ours or not. Sadly RM has inherited a group of players that KH signed rather than have his say on who he wants which is why I can understand to an extent why we went down the Drs route plus we need to save money
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| Quote ="The Lucky Black Cat"Campese is a waste of a player always injured and even when he does play he does very little- no wonder Canberra got rid. Sio is a decent player and Kelly has his injury problems. For me though I would rather see halifax players play for us rather than any HKR players whether they be better than ours or not.=#0000BF Sadly RM has inherited a group of players that KH signed rather than have his say on who he wants which is why I can understand to an extent why we went down the Drs route plus we need to save money'"
I feel pretty certain that most of us agree but rather than turning our back for a principle we need to get behind the club and help the revenue to increase so we can afford better players on our own.
As the Bard , William Shakespeare famously said.
"Eat your Turkey and eat you Veg.
The season is upon us and its Dual Reg."
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| Campese isn't going to play for you though is he, so you don't need to worry, Hell, he's unlikely to play for us.
Without having much knowledge of your squad, I do think that we have some youngsters that might prove useful to you and who The Drighlington Dynamo will have knowledge of. The odd one of those players might not make it with us but if they went well with you you'd surely have first dibs on signing them permanently whilst you're in this phase of rebuilding.
And what about if some of the PNG blokes come good at Gateshead and could do with being stretched at a higher level?
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"It's beyond belief that anyone believes this garbage. January 11th Hull KR v Halifax. How the Fax directors will be able to look their counterparts in the eye is beyond me.'"
Is it not more beyond belief then that someone could infer that our coach is not telling the truth, talking garbage and that everyone should doubt what he says or be classed as stupid.
All before a single team sheet has been written or a single game played.
The Fax directors have already looked their counterparts in the eye and so has RM, over a long period of time before coming to a decision on what to do so I don't think there will be a problem there, that's what it said in the press statement, unless he lied of course. ![Sad icon_sad.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_sad.gif)
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| Quote ="faxcar"Is it not more beyond belief then that someone could infer that our coach is not telling the truth, talking garbage and that everyone should doubt what he says or be classed as stupid.
All before a single team sheet has been written or a single game played.
The Fax directors have already looked their counterparts in the eye and so has RM, over a long period of time before coming to a decision on what to do so I don't think there will be a problem there, that's what it said in the press statement, unless he lied of course.
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Totally agree with this. Fax would never, ever, put out a press release that wasnt accurate.
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| Quote ="Bubba"Totally agree with this. Fax would never, ever, put out a press release that wasnt accurate.'"
Come on Bubba, Town are guilty of that's as well.
Every week the Courier says they are going to play football. ![DANCE icon_biggrin.gifANCE:](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//eusa_dance.gif)
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| Quote ="faxcar"Is it not more beyond belief then that someone could infer that our coach is not telling the truth, talking garbage and that everyone should doubt what he says or be classed as stupid.
All before a single team sheet has been written or a single game played.
The Fax directors have already looked their counterparts in the eye and so has RM, over a long period of time before coming to a decision on what to do so I don't think there will be a problem there, that's what it said in the press statement, unless he lied of course.
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I'm sure all the other dual reg clubs did the same. And what happened ? ![DOH icon_biggrin.gifOH:](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//eusa_doh.gif)
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| Quote ="The Lucky Black Cat"Campese is a waste of a player always injured and even when he does play he does very little- no wonder Canberra got rid. Sio is a decent player and Kelly has his injury problems. For me though I would rather see halifax players play for us rather than any HKR players whether they be better than ours or not. Sadly RM has inherited a group of players that KH signed rather than have his say on who he wants which is why I can understand to an extent why we went down the Drs route plus we need to save money'"
That was the thing with Harrison though, he could talk up the club and spoke very well hence he was able to always sign good players. Unfortunately for him though both himself and LG were unable to coach them to get the best out of them. Some of the stories I have heard about stuff that went on at training are comical and it sounds like U14's teams were better run in that respect.
I hear RM is more than happy with the players that he has at his disposal and got the impression he didnt want dual reg from the first fans forum but the club obviously think the pluses out weigh the minuses. The vibes coming out of the club on other stuff are really good and what the players are saying about the coach Ive not heard as many good things about any of our coaches probably over the last ten years or more. This year may not be the year but Ive got a really good feeling that this year will be a stepping stone to better things for the club.
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"That was the thing with Harrison though, he could talk up the club and spoke very well hence he was able to always sign good players. Unfortunately for him though both himself and LG were unable to coach them to get the best out of them. Some of the stories I have heard about stuff that went on at training are comical and it sounds like U14's teams were better run in that respect.
I hear RM is more than happy with the players that he has at his disposal and got the impression he didnt want dual reg from the first fans forum but the club obviously think the pluses out weigh the minuses. The vibes coming out of the club on other stuff are really good and what the players are saying about the coach Ive not heard as many good things about any of our coaches probably over the last ten years or more. This year may not be the year but Ive got a really good feeling that this year will be a stepping stone to better things for the club.'"
Want saying the Players KH signed are/were bad, but each Coach has his own philosophy and how he wants his Players and Team to Play. There are no doubt Players RM would like to bring in, but cant. I doubt RM will rely too much on DRs and likely see how we go first before bringing in any DRs. I dont expect us to be in the Top 4 being honest and as you say its very much a rebuilding year on and off the park. I personally dont have that big a Problem with the DRs but am deffo not a fan and fail to see why we need to have such a partnership with HKR or anybody especially on some Areas that I have mentioned. The BoD have a tough Job and have to make unpopular decisions. I just am concerned at where we are heading with the partnership and not sure why we need to do some things. I know the Club are in a tough Position finacially and in other Areas. The Club have improved a number of things recently and being open helps. I just hope the partnership works out as planned as most havent in the past between Clubs....
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| Quote ="griff1998"I'm sure all the other dual reg clubs did the same. And what happened ?
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It will work to our advantage.
Richard has stated that he will not be told which players he has to take, Chris Chester, who still has Fax at heart has said that he will pick the players he wants on a weekly basis and Fax are free to use the others if we chose.
I repeat if we chose.
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| Quote ="griff1998"I'm sure all the other dual reg clubs did the same. And what happened ?
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So now we have our club and coach who are not telling the truth and who must do what everyone else did with DR knowing it is bound to fail.
They are all incapable of learning from past experience and should be not allowed to try it out under their terms and conditions because you say so. ![WALL eusa_wall.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//eusa_wall.gif)
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| To be fair, I hate DR and the direction it could drag the game in but this one involving U.S. mysteriously starts to make sense.....
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| Quote ="halifaxjohn"It will work to our advantage.
Richard has stated that he will not be told which players he has to take, Chris Chester, who still has Fax at heart has said that he will pick the players he wants on a weekly basis and Fax are free to use the others if we chose.
I repeat if we chose.'" icon_sad.gif
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"icon_sad.gif'"
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| Quote ="Mr Dog"Come on Griff, Fax's deal is different, don't you know?
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Of course you know it's not even before the season starts and they will follow the same route blindly going into all the well known pitfalls and stepping into all the well known traps along the way and there will not be one single benefit from it all.
Silly of me, I really should accept that a Eagles supporter, a Batley supporter and a FC Halifax Town supporter should all know what is best for our club.
I mean the alternative is to allow the club BOD and coaching staff to make decisions and give them a chance to see if they work or not knowing that if it ever becomes apparent that is not it will end and we will be as we were.
The vast majority of Fax supporters including myself don't like DR but are prepared to do just that hard as it is.
The deal is done for now, and it all comes down to terms and conditions and how they are applied.
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| I'm sorry. The words of our new coach, a highly respected young coach, mean nothing, against the melodramatic doom-mongerings of fans who know best.
The lies coming out of the club have deflated me. I doubt I will go this season. I'll go and watch the Bulls instead. They don't use DR and are still a big club.
Merry Christmas Everyone
Mmmmm...Sainsburys Own Bucks Fizz 2014
Up the Fax
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| Quote ="pinballwizzard"I'm sorry. The words of our new coach, a highly respected young coach, mean nothing, against the melodramatic doom-mongerings of fans who know best.
The lies coming out of the club have deflated me. I doubt I will go this season. I'll go and watch the Bulls instead. They don't use DR and are still a big club.
Merry Christmas Everyone
Mmmmm...Sainsburys Own Bucks Fizz 2014
Up the Fax'"
Spooky, Sainsburys own Bucks Fizz 2014 at HalifaxjohnTowers as well.
Mmmmmmmm.
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| My first visit to the Faxfans messageboard for a couple of weeks & it appears i haven't missed much at all, things going smoothly, nice & quiet into the new season semmeingly.
A couple of facts:
Around eight years ago, King Cross Park U12's won the Yorkshire cup.
None of the kids in that squad play for Halifax nowadays - current age 19/20.
Around four years ago, Siddal U16's won the Yorkshire cup.
As far as I'm aware, none of the kids in that squad other than Mac Higgins & Joe Martin ( who both incidently went to Gateshead last season on loan - Coincidence ? ) play for Halifax nowadays - current age 19/20.
FEAR NOT THOUGH, because Siddal U12's recently won the Yorkshire cup - Jason Netherton please take note, the postcode
for REACTIV park, Siddal is HX3 9EW. See this snippet of advice as development of the little "round ROBIN of clubs" of Hull KR, Halifax & Gateshead, a christmas gift from me to you my friend.
There, got that off my chest, did someone mention development of talent ?
Anyway, i was really looking forward to purchasing a mini-season ticket booklet of four games for £60 but i wouldn't know what to do with the spare ticket after using one each for Fev, Leigh & Bradford games so i probably won't bother with that, but i think it's a great idea, well done those who thought it up.
The two new shirts - FANTASTIC designs & colours both. Back to traditional club colours & design, liking those a lot but since the dual-reg announcement i can't help feel that the timing of the red & white strip is all part of this current programme, shame 'cos I would have had both of these items but sadly not now.
New coach & assistant - Both players of decent standard, talent & honesty from what i watched, good luck to both in their roles at Fax, if their playing calibre is transferred into coaching they'll both be good 'uns & from what i'm hearing the training sessions are very much attacking focussed. HOORAH
So, it's Boxing day morning - GAME DAY, oh, hang on a minute...
For whatever reason, a fixture of any sort couldn't be arranged on Boxing day, i'd like to know why though, i would even have travelled to an away fixture if it meant the Shay is unavailable due to footy commitments, but no, not as i understand today's fixture lists of either sport. So once again it's Elland Rd for Leeds Utd v Wigan Latics for me & son No 2, who just to keep some of my friends up to date with his career in RL having been part of the two teams at the top of this list, and a former employee of the Halifax club as a reserve player is having a great time playing in south-west France for La Reole X111, Boxing day without one of your favourite teams to cheer on, it's just not cricket !
We had a great christmas day family gathering & my only RL related gift ( and i believe fellow poster & son No 1 Greetland8 also received a similar item ) this year was a La Reole training top, which was a lovely surprise, and for those fellow posters/friends/lurkers on Faxfans who aren't fellow Facebook friends of mine, i had the iconic Bluesox tattoo covered up very nicely done this week too, ironically with a Marillion artistic piece of an old song called "Assassing" which i'm very pleased with. Assassing indeed, assassinated would be more appropriate given this thread of dual reg.
Merry christmas to all my friends & former colleagues at Halifax RLFC, i'm absolutely certain this decision was taken with the best interest of the club & it's future at heart. Maybe some of those decison makers have been at the club too long, I hope to see some of you when the better weather is among us, season's greetings from an old friend.
I sincerely hope that this all works out for the good, if it fails, well, where next ?
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| When people read and believe all these statements from the club about "RM will choose" "On Halifax's terms" etc. Just ask yourself; What is in it for Hull KR if those statements are true?
They haven't gone into this arrangement purely to help ourselves!
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| Quote ="Nat (Rugby_Aholic)"When people read and believe all these statements from the club about "RM will choose" "On Halifax's terms" etc. Just ask yourself; What is in it for Hull KR if those statements are true?
They haven't gone into this arrangement purely to help ourselves!'"
Think it through.
At club level.
Some of those reading and hearing what RM is saying about this will be the very people from HKR who he sat down with, just ask yourself if he was not telling the truth how do think they would feel about working with a liar!!!!
What sort of relationship could they possibly have.
What is in it for HKR if this were the case, it would be dead in the water in an instant.
At a individual level.
What would that do for a persons reputation, think about what is being implied about some ones professional integrity, RM would not even be at Fax if it involved compromising his, what sort of person do we think he is?
It's on Halifax terms in the sense that RM will pick his team from all the players he has available, if any of them are from HKR it will be because he picked them not because HKR said he must pick them. How hard is that to accept and understand.
There is a lot more to this arrangement than just players and team selection which has been mutually agreed and will last as long as both parties want it to.
If anyone wants to know what is in it for HKR read what they are saying about it, their CEO Mike Smith has said what's in it for them.
As regards what they think about Halifax and RM he says this.
"There is a fantastic setup at Halifax and in Richard Marshal they have a talented young coach who has proven his abilities in the recent England Academy series.
We have no doubt they will provide a terrific environment for young players to continue their development."
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Obviously on the playing front they see some of their younger players benefitting from RM's coaching which is a complement to him.
Whether any of them get picked or not is down to him and clearly they think a lot more about him than others are doing.
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| Sigh..
Quote "Leigh Centurions are thrilled to announce an official partnership with Wigan Warriors. The partnership will benefit both clubs and the region in delivering rugby league across the Borough and in particular providing junior league players with the opportunity to develop enabling them to compete at the highest level. The partnership provides an exciting opportunity to both clubs to deliver rugby league across the Borough from grass roots to elite level. It provides an opportunity for the clubs to work across all departments from the community foundations to the performance departments.
The partnership came into being following the announcement of the Championship clubs Leigh, Featherstone, Halifax and Sheffield, agreeing a memorandum of understanding regarding the dual registration system and how it should be implemented. The Championship clubs feel very strongly that the dual registration should be utilised for the benefit of providing junior elite players an opportunity to perform in a Championship environment to develop their skills to enable them to achieve their ultimate aim of competing at Super League level.
The level of commitment from Wigan has been impressive and certainly Leigh Centurions will benefit considerably with sharing the best practices adopted by Wigan enabling both clubs to develop a range of strategies both on and off the field which will ensure that the region remains one of the primary areas for rugby league in the country.
Wigan agreeing to adopt the memorandum of understanding with Leigh means that we will be able to concentrate on developing the young players, Leigh will be able to benefit from the significant support and assistance in key areas such as sports science, coaching, medical support.
Keith Freer, Chairman of Leigh Centurions commented;
“This is an absolute fantastic opportunity, here at Leigh we have some of the best facilities in rugby league and now we are in partnership with one of the biggest names in the sport which enables Leigh to develop and strengthen to achieve our ultimate goal of being in the Super League at the earliest opportunity. It does not in any way adversely affect the independence of the Centurions, if anything it enhances our independence and our ability to compete. I must thank both Ian Lenagan and Kris Radlinski in agreeing to the terms of the partnership that enabled both clubs to make this commitment to the young players in our region.”
Wigan Warriors Rugby General Manager, Kris Radlinski said;
“I see this as a real chance for both clubs to work together for the benefit of rugby league across the Borough of Wigan, as a Club we can benefit in a number of ways which includes the opportunity for some of our players to gain vital first team football at Championship level. For Leigh this provides an enhanced squad for them to choose from with up to 5 players at any one time available via the dual registration or through the loan system format. Leigh has a great position within the game and both parties are keen to ensure each Club still retains its individual structures and identity.”
The agreement in more detail - The following text comes straight from the original document of the agreement, and the purpose of it's publication is to explain exactly what this agreement is about, and also what it is not about.
General Principles
The partnership is fundamentally to develop a joined up approach to the delivery of Rugby League across the borough of Wigan and Leigh from Grass Roots to Elite Level. This will cross all working departments of the two clubs from the community foundations to the performance departments. The idea of the partnership is to ensure that the whole community receives the very best in terms of community and Rugby League Development ensuring that the region is a leading light in these areas.
Purpose of Dual Registration
The purpose for both clubs is to provide junior elite players with the opportunity to perform in a championship environment in order to develop them for the benefit of all parties involved. The partnership approach will be one which focuses on all parties controlling the destiny of the relationship by ensuring that the player, the super league club and importantly the championship club have a joined up approach to the allocation and development of players.
General Points for Guidance
Playing opportunities will be offered for up to 5 players via a Dual Registration or Loan System Format. The preferred option would be to loan the players on a long term basis and there is an understanding between the two clubs that in reality only a maximum of 4 players will play each week.
2. All players that will be considered for this approach will be chosen by both clubs involved and each individual case will be decided by mutual consent.
3. All Players will maintain their primary registration with the Super League Clubs.
4. All Players will be under the age of 23 on 31st August 2012.
5. The clubs will agree on a player by player basis the financial amount for each player on both a loan and dual registration basis.
6. All Dual Registration and Loan Agreement players will only be eligible to play in The Play Off or Challenge Cup System if they meet the eligibility criteria as per RFL regulations and if agreed by all parties.
7. Leigh will provide suitable Medical attention for all players prior to, during and after games in consultation with the Wigan Warriors medical department.
8. Leigh will provide videos of all the games 24 hrs after the event to the Head of Youth.
Benefits of the Partnership
1. A joined up approach to the allocation and development of Elite Junior Players across our Geographical Area.
2. A fully integrated system that puts the best interest of all parties at the forefront of all decisions made.
3. An opportunity for all members of both clubs to gain valuable CPD opportunities across all departments within each club.
4. Support and assistance in all aspects of performance including coaching, sports science and medical support.
5. Provides an Opportunity to link up at a community and service area delivery level to assist the development of the game in the local community
6. Possibility of both clubs utilising shared facilities to accommodate the needs and demands of players within both organisations.
7. Possibility of both squads running joint field sessions at various points throughout the year as agreed by both parties.
8. Possibility of coaching staff working together on the delivery of designated coaching sessions throughout the year as agreed by both parties.
What the Partnership is not About
1. Removing the identity or credibility of either club.
2. A one sided approach to the allocation of Super League players within the championship environment
3. The De Registration of Contracted Players to enable competitive opportunities for designated players.
4. Providing a short term environment for returning Super League Players.
5. Replacing the participating clubs current playing structure.
Vision
To provide a genuine partnership approach to the development of Junior Elite Players, in a competitive environment, whilst providing equal benefits to all parties, thus creating a flag ship approach which the game can follow."'"
Sound familiar...
Quote "Featherstone Rovers can confirm that the club has signed a dual-registration agreement with local Super League neighbours Wakefield Wildcats. The dual-registration system was initially implemented in 2012 with the current dual-registration system being introduced in 2013. The system is designed to complement the tradition player loan system.
Since its inception, this is the first time Featherstone Rovers has signed an agreement with a Super League club. At this moment in time the club feels that a link with Wakefield Wildcats will give Featherstone Rovers an improved chance of realising the club's ambitions of returning to the top flight of the sport. Management at the club feel that in 2014 it is imperative that we meet our long-term strategic objectives of finishing in the top two places of Kingstone Press Championship. This will enable the Featherstone Rovers to plan for the competition structure changes that are being implemented from 2015 which the club fully supports.
Featherstone Rovers already has a strong relationship with Wakefield Wildcats off the field between club officials. On the field the club benefitted from long-term loan agreements in 2013 of Vince Mellors and Frankie Mariano which assisted in Rovers finishing top of the Kingstone Press Championship for the fourth successive season. Current Featherstone Rovers star Andy Ellis, who was man of the match at the weekend's victory at Sheffield Eagles, also previously joined the club through a loan agreement from Wakefield Wildcats before signing for the club permanently.
Explaining the decision to go into an agreement with Wakefield Wildcats, Featherstone Rovers Chief Executive Craig Poskitt said "We have a good relationship with Wakefield Wildcats and this agreement will be of benefit to both clubs. Sometimes a formal loan agreement is not suitable for either club or the player. In its simplest form, the dual-registration system is a different mechanism of loaning a player. As said in the past, the club stance is that we feel that the system is not one that we fully support but at this moment in time and the ambitions of the club, it is a route in the short term that we feel will benefit Featherstone Rovers in the long term. Supporters will not see a high rotation of players like other clubs in the Championship have seen but we felt the flexibility of the system will be of benefit to us for what we want to achieve in 2014 and beyond."
Wakefield Wildcats back row forward Chris Annakin appeared for Featherstone Rovers in the victory at Sheffield Eagles on Sunday and was a key component in ensuring three points as we bounced back to winning ways under the leadership of Interim Head Coach Danny Evans."'"
How are those dual reg agreements going now?
The exact same statements have been released for every dual reg agreement and every one of those agreements have worked against the Championship club before being terminated.
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| Leigh and Fev seem to be doing okay last time I looked and certainly no worse than they were before they entered into those agreements.
No one is disputing the down side of DR and the preference not to go down that road, the difference is though that Fax having done so saying it gives them the best options to compete next season have some saying they are lying about it.
For all the down sides to DR and no matter how much someone dislikes it they don't warrant this, that's the point I am making.
How is it going to work against Fax, because it is not the offloading of players from HKR who are needing game time after an injury or others that we must play when they say so.
Again RM will pick his team, no one else and if and when it stops working they will terminate it.
It down to options and choices and the alternative seems to be hanging on alone and falling further adrift from our rivals, how would that go down with the Fax faithful?
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