So Raise the Roof was nowt to do with Halifax RLFC then?
Check your facts.

Hxrlfc did put money into the-building of the south stand they did buy a brick at £
5.00 each I bought 4 and you had small brass nameplate giving ur name & donation there were over 200 nameplates on show framed that used to be on the wall in the south stand bar . And that was just from fans.

There's a few twitter accounts which are absolutely obsessed with the rugby hating. Massive confusion surrounds their perception of the Tony Abbott/Halifax RLFC entities. When you strip away the depth to their ramblings (we're talking about a head's worth of a pint of London Ale here) what's basically happened is that Halifax RLFC have put a bid in to buy The Shay. That's it. When you strip away the venom and the froth; that's the size of it. You will NEVER reason with that kind of mentality, no matter how many pages these threads create.

And the ultimate irony - whilst others congratulate Calderdale Council for their efforts leading up to this weekend the idiot Town fans are too busy slagging Tony Abbott off.

Rabid Neanderthals.

The point was instead of repeating over and over again the same arguments on forums like these from behind a keyboard that does nothing to solve the issues.

If it is that important surely it's better to channel the effort where it really matters, out in the open with the powers that be.

Lets all come out from behind the keyboard and ask the Council to start a petition or poll of some kind with the population of Calderdale to see what the consensus is regarding the Shay.

Being a community assett let everybody in the community decide what is best for it and them.
If some of the community can't be bothered to get involved well at least they were asked and the majority can have their say.

Again it's the Council who hold the cards not Town or Fax fans and if we really want to put pressure on the Council what better way to do it, if public opinion is strong enough against the sale then the chances of them selling it become less, but it may work the other way round.

It's not the case as you claim that Fax fans automatically think because it's TA involved it must be for the good, far from it, there are loads of questions.

What exactly will the terms of any sale be?

If it is sold is it possible to legally ensure that the Shay must stay a sporting stadium that can't be revoked or are these legal ties not really worth the paper the are written on?

If the purchaser gets in to financial trouble or has an accident of somekind at a later date what will be in place then to keep it as a sporting venue?

Etc, etc.

At the moment they are considering the options, so during that time.

We want and have a right to answers from them that are clear and address the key issues and are put in print then there can be no arguments or misunderstandings.

I'll sign on, will you?

How much did the club put in?

If your rent as paid the council would be able to put that money into the Shay.

As succinct as ever Richie.

If the numpties took a minute to breathe and stop slinging their spears and arrows at Tony Abbott, they'd probably realise that a majority of Fax fans share their concerns, they're just more dignified in their approach.

Only difference, we KNOW we are tenants at the Shay and don't expect a say in the matter. Bell ends

Actually, I will qualify my statement. "Some Town fans". There are some who I do engage with in banter on twitter and whilst we will never agree, it is at least a bit civil.

Correct

Some of the club put money and effort in, the amounts are their business ,in fact most people don't keep account of the donations of time and money and they don't expect to be asked to explain themselves.

Over the years others actually volunteered their skills, for example laying mortar and brickwork in parts of the Shay.

Former coach John Pendlebury for one who was a brickie by trade and did voluntary building works within the ground.


The rent issue has been flogged to death.

One last attempt.

Two people rent 2 apartments in the same block and both owe a fixed amount of rent.

Both tenants have an agreed time scale to pay the landlord.

One pays their amount early in the time scale, the other pays later, as long as they pay on time within the timescale then no problem.

What arrangements each party has with the landlord is their business and they do not have to explain themselves to people who aren't even one of the tenants involved anyway.

Do you really believe we have an agreed timescale that allows us to be more than
one year in arrears ?I think we are in a mess.The coming months will show how
genuine TA is,now the shay sale is off.

Yes I do believe there is an agreement in place concerning the rent, otherwise the council would not have sat round the table with a bad debtor in the first place and would be taking stronger action.

It would be strange for someone to put £100,000 in the cash flow coffers and not be genuine or if they were unable to pay the rent and there were to be any negative repercussions from not doing so.

What is the basis for the being in a mess thought.

As you say only the future will show us where we really are and if the sale of the Shay is really off permanently.

I don`t believe the Shay sale is off the statement doesn`t say it will never be sold , it`s just been delayed .I believe it`s only a matter of time before the Council sells it ,granted it may not be to TA (would he still want it after all that has happened who knows) but someone will buy it no doubt.

That just shows where your main loyalties lie then, doesn't it?

If we are in a mess it would be good to know where and why ,you never know we may be able to help.

Please be specific.

sorry,dont understand ?
Im just a concerned fan.Am i the only one to be worried that we havent
paid rent for 15 months and are 250k in debt.Does this not constitute
a mess ? wheres the money coming from to pay rent that we havent been able
to pay already--are our crowds going to double next year ?
the fact its still outstanding leaves us the subject of deserved redicule.

What a joke - were you spouting this nonsense 7 years ago when we marched on the Town Hall together to protest against private ownership?

Hypocrisy of the highest order.

If you deluded fools would take a break from using the words 'neanderthals' and 'luddites' at every possible opportunity (because it really really hurts when you say such nasty things) and actually look at the situation you would see how obvious it is that the only reason you backed this bid is because it was Tony Abbott.

Despite the obvious and real risk to your club should this deceitful spin king get his grubby mitts on The Shay you are blinded by your undying love for this man.

T Hall has talked some sense in voicing his concerns and is getting shot down. The disregard you have for your club is shocking.

As for the rent







keep kidding yourself that all is well and/or brushing it under the carpet. Keep telling yourselves that being £250k in the red is not of your concern. It goes hand-in-hand with your disregard for the club's future security anyway.

Fact is, you hate your club.

Whilst on the subject of rent, funny how the 'agreement' you had with the council was for Reactiv to add the rent arrears onto any purchase. Why would the rugby club's debts be included within Reactiv's negotiations - it's not HRLFC buying The Shay is it?????

Perhaps The Shay needs outside investment of some kind. All opportunities should be explored. What we most definitely should not do is sell for tuppence to a southern spin king who comes forward with a 'vision' and a mortgage.

Cloud Cuckoo Land is simply a short stop-off on the way to where you guys belong, such are your levels of naivity and delusion.

The FCHT fans have done a fantastic job of saving your club and will ALWAYS do what is best for The Shay. It's just a shame our cultist co-tenants couldn't care less about anything other than Abbott's balance sheet.

Remember kids:

agree, pay the rent and then let those find something else to moan about.

But you are just listening to the bile spewed out constantly by the FCHT maggots. By that I do not mean all FCHT fans but just the minority who post on Shaymen.net. Being a FCHT fan (as well as a Fax fan) you seem to give them more credence than the rest of us.

1. The accounts which keep being posted are up to November 2012, a year old.

2. Since then TA/Reactiv have invested £60,000 in December 2012 and a further £100,000 in July 2013.

3. The club , I believe, has since last year trimmed it's playing budget due to the current financial climate and the subsequent drop in attendances.

4. If you look at the total liabilities of the club and it's net worth for 2009 to 2012 you will see that the debt has actually gone down year by year, not by much I grant you, but I would be more concerned if it was increasing year on year.

5. I may be wrong but I think there may be more to the rent issue than meets the eye because, firstly, I can't see the club just not bothering to pay CMBC for such a long period of time and, secondly, I can't see CMBC letting them get away with it.

6. Yes, the club COULD now be further in the red. I doubt it myself but I concern myself more with the team's performance than the club's balance sheet which is down to the club's Directors and beyond my control.

I know that a number of FCHT fans would love to see Halifax RLFC go out of business but we've just celebrated our 140th Anniversary and I suspect we'll be around for a long time yet.

good post and i hope what you suspect turns out to be fact.We have agreed on fax matters several
times before but when it comes to loyalty mine is divided unlike most posters on both sites.I do always
post my personal feelings,not others bile,i accept im sometimes in a minority of myself.The flak that
each club receives from each other makes me smile and be angry in equal proportions.

I accept that it can't be easy being a supporter of both clubs and having to divide your loyalties. I myself have no interest in football whatsoever having been brought up on RL and attending a school which only played Rugby (unfortunately the other type

)

Having said that I appreciate that it's each to his own and I always check FCHT's results as I like to see anything to do with Halifax succeed. I've always said that, had I been into football, I would have supported my local team and it always saddens me to see how many Halifax people support Leeds, Manchester etc. There are some in Halifax who support Bulls, Rhinos etc but not to the same extent as we do tend to be more colloquial in RL.

I suspect the divides between FCHT and Fax are now too wide to ever be bridged which is a shame as it is a hindrance to the success of both clubs.

I requested under the Freedom of Info act the same rent question issue several weeks ago too. In the hope that I'd catch those Town numpties out.... Anyway it took a few weeks to get the necessary response but had it confirmed that we are in arrears on the rent and the amount was for period Sept 2012 - Oct 2013. Now it may be that we pay 12 months at a time but this needs putting to bed once and for all as its in the domain that we haven't paid our rent which is slightly worrying.....!

I agree it does.

Not wanting to be out of order here and if I am I apologise in advance.

At the recent players gathering according to KH everyone was there.

The players, coaching staff and directors.

The history and tradition of the club was spoken about, the ambitions and what was expected of each of them present was made crystal clear, to represent the club in the highest possible way.

This talk about rent arrears now seems to becoming more than a financial issue, it is being used to heap reproach on the club by people from the outside and is causing concern to some inside.

It is an issue that could be bringing the integrity of the club into question.

Not a situation anyone connected with the club would want if it can be avoided.

Can someone from the club please put this to bed once and for all if at all possible.

I am not sure how much was put in its around 15 years ago but John Burnett ex Halifax RLFC player was the driver behind it all.
You know what you have just done what you are saying Tony Abbott is doing and putting 'spin' on what I said, you and Bubba are just as guilty like why has Bubba not answered my reasonable question about how many fans are members of the Halifax Town Supporters Trust?

Dont like the term "Luddite" and "Neanderthal" then dont come on a forum where you have NO interest in Fax. I dont go posting and winding up people on your forum and I havent seen a Fax fan do that. A couple of Fax fans use your forum but not to post drivel like you do. The sooner scumbags like you stop trying to be keyboard warriors and coming out with BS like we hate our club then maybe I would have more respect for you and your pubteam

Maybe you and your luddite friends are too stupid or thick to read and understand what many of us Fax fans post. I have never said TA should just take over the Shay. I have said certain conditions need to be met and that ensures the rugby club will never be forced to leave the shay against their will. I have said the Council is financially in a mess and needs to save money. Sooner or later The Shay will be sold. I dont agree with the Council cutting services to children and the elderly and keeping The Shay that is rarely used by the vast majority of the people in Calderdale. The Shay needs investment and needs redevloping. Its clear the Council doesnt have that money and cheap options are always done which often dont work- the drainage of the pitch for example. The Council can afford to run the shay- but any major problems and the problem gets worse. TA is no knight in shining armour and I have questions. But I am of the opinion that for The Shay to sort its problems out and be used far more than it is then its better under TA IF he meets certain conditions than under the council

Bubba and Halifax Town are people I wouldnt trust. Bubba doesnt have a great record and many Town fans rounded on him after the Trust fiasco. He also is somebody who is like a politician with the hypocrisy he comes out with. As for your own club, many of your fans are not happy with them and you never hear about whats going on according to some of your fans. On one hand you Luddites say The Council should run the Shay- then criticize the people running it. You were not so Council friendly when the games were getting postponed due to the state of the Pitch. I wouldnt trust the Council anymore than I do TA. And when the Council do sell the shay it could be to anybody. Somebody who has NO interest in either club or even the area