Granted there may be no problem at The Shay - the club aren't been fair to the fans - no comment , no comment , no comment and unavailable for comment - its different when the club want you to spend your hard earned isnt it?

Halifax RLFC show the fans some respect.

I don't think its a case of lack of respect for the fans - I think it is more a case of they can't say anything. I'm sure the board have the matter in hand.

I couldnt give a stuff about Football or Rugby Union and as such I couldnt care what the Halifax team do in them sports. I dont wish them anything bad neither. I am just indifferent to them- probably like most in thearea. Instead of some sporting recognition, I would rather the Town of Halifax was not some backwater, with poor sporting, shopping and entertainment facilities. Instead of some sporting success, for any club including Fax, I would rather see the town with first class Shopping, Entertainment and Sporting facilities. A town that is one that people want to come to because of what it has to offer. Sadly in all areas for me Halifax is failing

Do agree with that.

Look, let's face it, the lowlifes at fcht have thrown enough mud that some of it is starting to stick and some people are starting to have doubts. Hey, I will be there supporting Fax whatever but we need every fan we can get (having dropped by about 500 last season) and if it puts off even 50 possible supporters the club suffers. So I really think that it would be prudent for the club to make a "clear the air" statement before the new season gets under way as saying nothing only amplifies the doubts in the minds of the prospective/floating supporter.

It is possible that the decision to make a statement has been taken out of the hands of the club, for example if they were suing someone or been sued themselves they would be under a legal gag order. Its clear that we don't know the entire story, so we need to be patient, trust the BOD and look forward to the rugby!

Did a bit of research and HRLFC between 28/3/2003 & 19/9/2013 have been on TV 48 times,perhaps aleydita could enlighten us about FC Halifax but i would be surprised if it was more

As the person who logged the FOI request with the Council I find it right that I come on here and explain myself. I'm not hear to bait or gloat, just explain why I did it.

I placed the FOI not as a Town fan looking for an excuse to attack the rugby club, but as an attempt to hinder the purchase of a community asset by Reactiv Media (owner T. Abbott). I believe that the ground should remain owned by the council.

At the start of the 'SOS' campaign I'd never considered looking into the rugby club aspect, but Abbott (you can insert the 'Mr' if you like, I never use it for anyone else so won't now) tied the rugby club in by attaching the rent debt of one of his companies in with purchase, linking the two in my eyes.

When his bid was questioned the default answer was 'trust me', and some fans on here said we should trust him due the money he's invested in the town and how honourable he was. He also claimed that the stadium was loss making.

It turns out that he can't be trusted to pay the bills of another business he co-owns (HRLFC) on time, and he's not putting money into the town as he's now over £60k in debt to the council, plus lost interest on that money that it will never see again.

The previous FOI made it clear that an agreement had been reached by both sides to pay the debt, in full, by 31.12.2013. No mention what-so-ever was made about any of it being tied up in the now defunct purchase of the Shay. That date has been missed, and the debt has grown since. This blows the 'trust' argument totally out of the water for me, and the rugby club can no longer hide behind the argument that this will all be taken care of when the ground is sold. Calderdale MBC obviously don't see that as the current arrangement.

If he successfully buys the ground, and needs a mortgage on it (unless he can rustle up £2.5 million when he can't get £60k together), what would happen to the ground if he approached his mortgage payments in the same way? It'd be repossessed, sold to the highest bidder and both clubs would be up the swanny or the council would have to buy it back for more than they sold it for.

I'd like to repeat this isn't an attack on the club. I've said on another thread on shaymen.net that I'd hope if the football club was in difficulty the council would extend our payment terms to help us out short term. However, until any deal with Reactiv is publicly dismissed totally by CMBC then I feel it's a democratic duty to raise concerns.

I also don't think your board of directors owe me an explanation. However I do believe they owe the people of Calderdale an explanation, as they owe the tax payers this money.

I hope this post is accepted with the same decency as I've approached you, and will attempt to answer any questions you have with regards to my motives.

Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"I were at the meeting too and remember just about what he said. Do you know for a fact that it his TA`s company that is running the payday loan company? Can you say for sure that it is and provide the evidence? I get that the company is listed as running from Reactivs address but like anything in business that could easily be office space that is let out by his company. I would be very interested in the answers to these questions because I would also be worried if in fact TA did turn out to have companies that did this after strongly denying it.'" Visit www.sunrise payday loans.co.uk (without the spaces) - on the contact page it says you can write to Reactiv Media Ltd, not another company at that address. It also states "Reactiv Media Limited is licensed to broker credit under the Consumer Credit Act 1974 and has registered with the Office Of Fair Trading (Consumer Credit Licence number 604089/1, Companies House registration number 6252030)." Also, visit companycheck .co.uk (again without the spaces) and search for Tony Abbott, the top two with the postcodes HD3 4TG and HX5 9HJ list his as director of: Gadget Loans Ltd TAB Finance Ltd (and a Google for this will return lots of results for cold calling complaints around loans) Loan Quest Finance Ltd Want A Payday Loan Ltd Need A Loan Now Ltd Finally, visit his Linkdin page, his 'groups and associations' include: Payday Lenders Payday Lending Payday Lending | The Group For Payday Lenders & Vendors UK Payday Lending

Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"I were at the meeting too and remember just about what he said. Do you know for a fact that it his TA`s company that is running the payday loan company? Can you say for sure that it is and provide the evidence? I get that the company is listed as running from Reactivs address but like anything in business that could easily be office space that is let out by his company. I would be very interested in the answers to these questions because I would also be worried if in fact TA did turn out to have companies that did this after strongly denying it.'" Visit www.sunrise payday loans.co.uk (without the spaces) - on the contact page it says you can write to Reactiv Media Ltd, not another company at that address. It also states "Reactiv Media Limited is licensed to broker credit under the Consumer Credit Act 1974 and has registered with the Office Of Fair Trading (Consumer Credit Licence number 604089/1, Companies House registration number 6252030)." Also, visit companycheck .co.uk (again without the spaces) and search for Tony Abbott, the top two with the postcodes HD3 4TG and HX5 9HJ list his as director of: Gadget Loans Ltd TAB Finance Ltd (and a Google for this will return lots of results for cold calling complaints around loans) Loan Quest Finance Ltd Want A Payday Loan Ltd Need A Loan Now Ltd Finally, visit his Linkdin page, his 'groups and associations' include: Payday Lenders Payday Lending Payday Lending | The Group For Payday Lenders & Vendors UK Payday Lending

That is surprisingly high to me.The football won't have been on more
than 10 times in that period.

You can't say fairer than that mate.All will come out in the end.
The thought that TA could fall short of his knight in shining armour tag
is just too unpalatable for some.

Eloquently put, would be nice if some of your fellow supporters could be so balanced.

Your completely entitled to your opinion, I don't have to agree with it (and I don't) but your entitled to it.

Neither do I but it was eloquently put!

I don't mind anyone stating their case and posting the facts as they see them. If only his friends on shaymen.net and the Courier comments stuck to that. Instead they resort to nasty personal attacks on TA and, even worse, on Heartbeat of Sport.

Exactly, perhaps =#0000FFMR Mouse would like to comment on that?

Fair question. I don't think anyone comes out well in an online argument. With regards to the Courier I do try and avoid it, newspaper message boards, whether the Guardian, Daily Mail or local rags seem to attract the most extreme voices who don't reflect their chosen sides well.

Honestly, I've not seen many personal attacks on Shaymen.net. I believe some abuse on Twitter was reported early on and if that is the case I hope it was reported to the site and the police if necessary.

Ironicly it was a comment on here referring to me as 'that bell end who put in the FOI' (Bulls thread, page 6) that encouraged me to sign up and post my reasons on here. So I've been abused, personally, without merit; but I accept it as a flippant off-the-cuff comment that (I hope) wasn't intended to be an actual personal assault. Therefore I think you have to be careful singling individual posts or posters out as examples of bad behaviour.

Regarding the HoS stuff I believe it's unfortunate from Abbott's side as a good venture has left him open to attack either through a lack of understanding of the registration process or administrative oversight. I do believe that as soon as it is registered with the Charity Commission then 99% of the users on shaymen.net won't mention it again.

I don't like dealing in conjecture, just facts, so I don't want to be drawn into other people's he said/she said arguments as I can't speak for either party.

Its like a episode Emmerdale on this Forum , all these deep thinkers , and then GFB posts a reply







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Your entire argument is based on the principle that neither the club or Tony Abbott can afford to pay the outstanding amount. There are many other reasons for not paying it, if you don't get the services you are paying for you have the right to withhold payment until those services are provided or you are compensated appropriately. Catering for example, when did EMC go bust? I am just speculating but trying to help you understand there are other reasons for withholding payment.

Sheffield Unt behind with there rent? www.sportinglife.com/football/ne ... called-off.

Sheffield Unt behind with there rent? www.sportinglife.com/football/ne ... called-off.

I think you are right, when it is all sorted and the reasons known perhaps the Town fans will apologise?

First of all Thank you for your post and the manner it has been done. I respect your opinion, although I dont actually agree with it myself. I have more respect for you for being honest and speaking the truth. I dont have much time for Halifax Town, its fans or even the game of Football, but I dont see the need personally to go on another forum/Newspaper to wind people up or attack them. People may not like what I put, especially football fans, but I say what I think here and thats it.

I dont think the club need to give any explanation as the matter is between the Club and The Council. The club doesnt need to bring the dirty washing into the open and from what I can see is doing things behind closed doors. I am sure when the need for a statement will come then it will be done. Its a matter of opinion on how the club is dealing with it. Some mainly football fans are not happy. A number like me, dont feel the club is in danger, as certain people are making out. I see no evidence that Tony Abbott or Fax are about to go bust or even have money problems which is what you seem to imply.

The club and Tony Abbott maybe could have handled wanting to buy the Shay in a better way. But I dont see the need for football fans to harass him and want to run him out of town. The way people have made accusations against the Heartbeat of Sport is bang out of order. And this has been allowed to grow on the Shaymen.net forum without anybody stepping in and saying enough is enough.

I just dont see what it has to do with you or anybody to look in to this. If it was your Football team that owed money, then personally I wouldnt care, as it doesnt effect Fax and is a matter between the Council and whoever. Its upto the Council to chase the debt, not anybody else to get involved. I respect you coming on here but sadly have to disagree with your opinions. I hope you enjoy watching your club and sport.

FOI 509 "RLFC have promised to clear the arrears by 31st December 2013".

No mention of disputes over the debt, that reads to me like the club agreed to the debt and agreed to pay it in full.

The FOI answers the questions that you asked and nothing more. It wont, for example, say "RLFC have promised to pay the arrears by 31st December 2013 on the basis that Calderdale MBC have promised to ......". We have a tiny portion of the actual story here, you have filled in the blanks with pure speculation and conjecture.

Ok, I take your answer on board and will raise a new FOI asking for further details of the arrangement. Again it will be done in the open so we all have unrestricted access to the answer.