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Who are the extra 8 teams to make up the numbers?

Halifax, Featherstone, Leigh and Sheffield are the most obvious, but another 4? The Cumbrian sides may be interested but would all 3 be selected? Another French side could be feasible, and possibly look to help develop the french competition at the same time.

Is there a big enough Talent Pool available, no point expanding the game just to keep some aussies from retiring for a couple of seasons. And what about money, is there enough for both leagues to be full time and the teams be sustainable.

Plan isn't a bad one, but plenty needs ironing out of it too!

It will just be the championship by a different name, with two SL clubs having their income drastically reduced when they drop down. The SL clubs will still make sure they take fattest wedge of the money.

If the RFL are serious about movement between two leagues and creating more professional clubs then they need to maximise income and spread it out more, or the gap will continue to get wider.

Lets hope, if there is to be a "SL 2", it will have more respect offered to it than the current championship does

The finances only work for two twelves with a big increase in tv money, if that is so great but two tens is affordable on existing

For it to work.

Whatever form it takes the finances must be evenly spread across the teams.
Getting the SL clubs to vote for this will be a problem.

If they do.
Then.

Playing standards will dip intially (but not drastically) with a few more of the "star" catergory players going to the NRL, Union or where the bigger money is to be found but this will open the door of opourtunity for others that will be able to make the grade and be satisfied with their lower pay check.

Standards will then level out, (but should still be good to watch) and then start to rise as more players especially the younger talent play in competative enviroment on a regular basis.

Gradually the difficult financial situation the country as a whole is in starts to change for the better and with the game now having new life in it starts to have renewed interest from sponsers, investers and supporters.

Am I dreaming, probably.

Has any one seen the 'full story' in your local paper.

The same link is on the Wigan board. I posted on there saying pretty much what has been said on this thread. The only way this would work is if the second teer is also full time pro running under the same salary cap with a fair share of income.

Unless the RFL has miraculously pulled in a major sponsor or SKY are looking to offload some cash for tax relief purposes i can't see how it would work. FWIW i hope it does come off.

There is only a certain amount of money available for anything and only a certain number of benefacters from that money.

Where RL is concerned lets say the current SL suddenly gets a massive cash boost, lets just look at the players wages.

They all benefit from this injection of cash and get " X " number of pounds pay rise.

Question is. How does this add any benefit to the game?
What has actually changed.

Answer. Nothing, it's the same guys playing the same game, their just a bit better off.

Now take the same amount of money and spread it across a wider area.

How does this benefit the game.

Answer. It's now the same guys playing the same game with a lot more added to the ranks, their a bit worse off.

That's why some who can will move on to get more money elsewhere but not everyone will be able to do so.

If there is only a set amount of money available then people will either sign up for it or not.

Headless chickens could run the sport better than the RFL! They go on about improving standards on and off the field, when in fact they just water it down each year. The latest proposal is mad.

Where are the 24 Clubs? Fax, Fev and Sheffield maybe plus Toulouse might be able to do it but then who? Leigh are buggered. Batley? Who are skint and struggle to get 1000 people to turn up at most games.

Minimum Standards should be brought in if any team wants to play in or stay in SL. Cant meet them then play in the Championship which is not a punishment but a good way to rebuild. Any team wanting to play in SL in whatever form should be forced to run a reserve/U20s plus U18s.

I love Fax but I also love the game and the proposal that I have seen will make things even worse in the game. If Fax are strong enough to run reserve and academy grades and are good enough on the field then we deserve a crack at SL- same for Fev and Sheffield etc. If however we are not prepared to do things properly we dont deserve to be in. Its that simple. Keep things as they are with P & R with minimum standards also involved

Sadly I suspect it's something the RFL have cobbled together, based around P&R. They put it to SL chairmen, who, own interests paramount, reject it.

The RFLcan then turn around and say "we offered P&R and it was rejected. Normal service resumed.

There's nothing to see here

If there is to be a re structure of the leagues the one thing that should happen is that all the clubs get a vote but that won't happen then we may get an outcome the will make all the competitions better and worthwhile for everyone and not just the 14 S/L teams

Quote ="freddies wig"Sadly I suspect it's something the RFL have cobbled together, based around P&R. They put it to SL chairmen, who, own interests paramount, reject it. The RFLcan then turn around and say "we offered P&R and it was rejected. Normal service resumed. There's nothing to see here'" I think the Super League Chairmen will go for it, last year Brian McDermott told us at a Faxbuilder do that there were too many clubs in Super League, this week Tony Smith has said the same, going further and saying there are too many pointless games in SL, a reduction of two teams will mean 4 less pointless games. The chance of promotion will certainly bring more fans to the Shay and to some other clubs, promotion would bring even more as would the away support. Some moan at the present set up, some moan at the proposals, we are going nowhere now so lets give it a try. (whatever it is) www.sportinglife.com/rugby-leagu ... ss-changes p.s I will support Fax in whatever set up and I will support and respect any decisions our board make.

Quote ="freddies wig"Sadly I suspect it's something the RFL have cobbled together, based around P&R. They put it to SL chairmen, who, own interests paramount, reject it. The RFLcan then turn around and say "we offered P&R and it was rejected. Normal service resumed. There's nothing to see here'" I think the Super League Chairmen will go for it, last year Brian McDermott told us at a Faxbuilder do that there were too many clubs in Super League, this week Tony Smith has said the same, going further and saying there are too many pointless games in SL, a reduction of two teams will mean 4 less pointless games. The chance of promotion will certainly bring more fans to the Shay and to some other clubs, promotion would bring even more as would the away support. Some moan at the present set up, some moan at the proposals, we are going nowhere now so lets give it a try. (whatever it is) www.sportinglife.com/rugby-leagu ... ss-changes p.s I will support Fax in whatever set up and I will support and respect any decisions our board make.

Full article on line now - basically 2 teams relegated from SL, the top 9 Championship sides + Toulouse to make up SL2. The 2 divisions will then split into 3 divisions of 8 halfway through the season, with the final league placings then deciding the make up of the 2 divisions the following season - so P&R by any other name!!

I really hope this isn't the case.

Never before has there so much unrest in the sport.

The Watkins report for one thing did not sweep things under the carpet.

Brian Barwick coming onboard is another factor because if someone like him with his sporting experience and connections can't make or influence the right decisions then we are in for a difficult time.

www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/sport/halifax-rlfc/halifax-rlfc-news/super-league-shake-up-on-the-way-1-5640223

Just read it, wish I hadn't started drinking at 7, will have to try and understand it tomorrow, about lunch.

Is anyone really that d? Hetherington and his mob will do what they want. Again

Come on Freddie, yes we are d, your words not mine, what would you prefer?
Stay as we are? try something different?
Surely we should all "be d" other wise, what's the point?

Yeah, course I'm d John, but for Halifax or the game? I dunno?!

Clubs like ours are so far behind, despite the magnificent efforts of board, playing staff and supporters. Mainly through decisions made by SL and the game's administrators. Just having a club to support in some semblance of a competition is expected to be enough for us. All the great progress the club has made is just ignored. Even now, this change in structure is being used by some to talk up Mickey Mouse Toulouse. The game never, ever learns.

What the RFL needs to do is shed it's Disney image, increase investment in the sport and grow a pair and share the resources more evenly. Only then, and with a show of respect to all involved in the sport, will we progress.

Will it happen? That's why I don't think I can be d John. And the more you factor in Woods £200 grand salary the worse it gets. He gets paid more than the prime minister FFS!

Something has to change and soon, not sure how this will work but we do need to change things around, a smaller SL and a SL2 is a good idea with 10 in each I think would work.
If people think the current set up is working look at Bradfords crowd tonight against Leeds it was 12K which is good in our world but poor for a derby game like that which used to get 20K or at least 15K the last few years and take a look at London and Salfords crowds this year!
Playing different teams must be a welcome thing by SL clubs fans surely, its boring playing the same teams every year.

I've posted before on this issue and think that the only way forward with this is 2 leagues of 10, 12 is too many, though I have to say that I still don't know how the pro/semi-pro dilemma can be resolved. Perhaps 1up/1 down and then back to the next 3 against the 2nd bottom in a play-off, not sure if it would be feasible.
Salary caps are massively different and where we'd get over a million to spend is anyone's guess, but would we need it to keep in the middle of the set-up initially?

Fax is the place to live , sod it im moving to Fax , the Circus comes to Town .

Charlie, as you wouldn't be able to afford a house here I have put your name down with the council.
after filling in questionnaire about you they have reserved a one bedroom flat, floor 23, The Jumples, Mixenden.
Just up your street.

Council House

John i own my house here in Leigh , and have a Wigwam in Blackpool for my Circus work , some say a handful of beads will get you a Woman in Fax



, i would appreciate a flat nearer the ground please , maybe next door to Bentlyman , a friend of mine .

Yes, but, owning a house in Leigh is like owning an out of date £5 note,
worth now't
As for a handful of beads? half a pint would do.
There is a woman waiting for you in the Jumples,

Charlie you really are a clown,just to remind you I don't live in Halifax

Charlie - I rent a house out in Halifax. I'll kick the current tenants out and move you in. You MUST leave the Penky posters up though.