I don't think performance on the field is nearly as important as we want to believe. Go back all the way to 98 when we could only attract 5k for a semi final play off game against Saints when we had the best team we had in 10 years. Even recently when we look at '21 and '22 with teams that finished 3rd we couldn't get higher than a 1.7k average. What we do have is a large gap in the age demographics for our average attendance, its not rocket science just take a look around at the next game. People in the ages 16 to maybe 40 or so are in the minority, we have entire generations missing from the fan base and this needs to be the target which needs a large improvement. I mentioned on the other thread that we do a great job with the junior section and work with the community clubs and that has been going on for years but it has not transfered over in to bums on seats when those juniors become young adults. The club needs to address the reason why and a lot of it will come down to pricing. "Rugby League is a family sport".......yet in the areas the game is played most people can't afford to take their families to a game. Not just a Fax issue but it does affect us directly. Despite the talk in the other thread I am not a huge fan of fylers/posters for the reason that LU mentions in that it mainly won't appeal to anyone with no interest in the sport. That said in Halifax we must have a lot of people that have either been to games or know about the club, so in that sense having posters up might just remind them and keep the club in their mind. As mentioned also if you can work a way to get that advertising for nothing then its really a no brainer and TF is bang on when he says it is about brand awareness and at the moment the Fax brand is in the gutter, we are a begging bowl club, you see the Fax logo and you wonder what the bad news is or how they are trying to get money out of you. That will take a long time to change but it has to start somewhere. The fact we could not even muster 500-600 paying fans through the gate for a game against a top SL team is appalling which ever way we want to look at it, its the worst draw possible without a doubt, but its not the oppositions responsibility to get people through the gate. That ground should have been rocking yesterday especially with that performance. The club needs some big changes, we look to have a pretty decent team on the field this season, so in my opinion the changes need to start upstairs.

That has always been the big problem, to drop admission the crowds have to go up(I think this is why Fax charged full price for the Cats game as they didn't expect a rise in attendance with cheaper tickets) and as LU mentions the Batley experiment didn't work. Its just so hard to pinpoint one exact reason why people don't attend as it's usually a combination of things. Like a family of 3 or 4 could be paying out maybe around £150 or more for a couple of homes games in a month and that is a lot of money around here where money is tight and there are a lot of other things to do. For some it is simply frustration of how the club has been ran over the years. I couldn't even get rid of cheap tickets for this game for people who have attended regular in the last couple of years, too cold, don't want to watch their team get hammered, fed up with RL in general, these were the gist of reasons I heard. It is hard to know what the answer is but if questions are not asked after that sort of attendance then it might be time to just sack it off.

I think it's more of an rl problem than a fax problem, I think the essence of what rl stood for as been removed by greed and removal of hope and jeopardy. I watched the Bradford v cas game today and enjoyed it has a neutral , on the flip side when I went to Wembley to watch fax vs batley I paid little attention to the leigh v hull kr game. Certain clubs seemed to have stagnated regardless, not sure on the stats but attendances seem to be at best levelling off across the board.

[i:1c1s4q3n]Greg Quote. That has always been the big problem, to drop admission the crowds have to go up(I think this is why Fax charged full price for the Cats game as they didn't expect a rise in attendance with cheaper tickets) and as LU mentions the Batley experiment didn't work. Its just so hard to pinpoint one exact reason why people don't attend as it's usually a combination of things. Like a family of 3 or 4 could be paying out maybe around £150 or more for a couple of homes games in a month and that is a lot of money around here where money is tight and there are a lot of other things to do. For some it is simply frustration of how the club has been ran over the years. I couldn't even get rid of cheap tickets for this game for people who have attended regular in the last couple of years, too cold, don't want to watch their team get hammered, fed up with RL in general, these were the gist of reasons I heard. It is hard to know what the answer is but if questions are not asked after that sort of attendance then it might be time to just sack it off. End. LU Quote: I think it's more of an rl problem than a fax problem, I think the essence of what rl stood for as been removed by greed and removal of hope and jeopardy. I watched the Bradford v cas game today and enjoyed it has a neutral , on the flip side when I went to Wembley to watch fax vs batley I paid little attention to the leigh v hull kr game. Certain clubs seemed to have stagnated regardless, not sure on the stats but attendances seem to be at best levelling off across the board. End.[/i:1c1s4q3n] BLEEDING HELL. Posts not mentioning posters and not blaming the club for everything at last making sense!!

Batleys 10 quid experiment actually worked with their crowds more than doubling, I've no idea why they didn't follow it through. I'm a mathematical genius and I calculate the optitimum entrance fee as being 12 quid which would create the greatest returns. We need to have someone with the nous to take the club forward. I would still love to know why Kenny resigned saying he did so because he didn't agree with the direction of the club. What direction didn't you agree with Kenny?

[quote="Tony Fax":1ghlllbg]Batleys 10 quid experiment actually worked with their crowds more than doubling, I've no idea why they didn't follow it through. I'm a mathematical genius and I calculate the optitimum entrance fee as being 12 quid which would create the greatest returns. We need to have someone with the nous to take the club forward. I would still love to know why Kenny resigned saying he did so because he didn't agree with the direction of the club. What direction didn't you agree with Kenny?[/quote:1ghlllbg] What year did batley do their offer, was it 2023? If so it looks like they only averaged about 100 or so more on the previous season and then crowds actually went up last year which is strange if it was 2024 that they went back to full price. Its a bit of a catch 22 of offering cheap tickets as they often end up in the hands of people who were going to attend anyway.