Nobody, from either leave/remain Conservative/Labour/DUP/SNP have covered themselves in glory.

Perhaps - there’s not been a reet lot of glory to go around.

But let’s not pretend that means they’re all as bad as each other.

At the time of the referendum, my local MP was Ed Vaizey. Having moved, it is now Andrew Bridgen. One lost and responded in a pragmatic and reasonable way, and the other won and has been like a pig in poop - with predictable consequences.

The politicians who most enthusiastically advocated leave have tended to be those least willing to face up to the consequences of their triumph and behave responsibly. They’re a bunch of losers who literally don’t know what to do with victory.

You are letting your political bias cloud your judgement sir.

Inevitably. However, that is my judgement.

It’s one thing to mould reality to win an argument, but quite another to proceed on that basis having won. I’m not appalled by the lies, i’m appalled by the stubborn naïvety, and the shock that the world won’t do as it is told - even when the instructions are spoken loudly and clearly in the Queen’s own English.

The only M.P.'s who could stop May's deal are the Tories & the Puppet Masters from across the Irish Sea.

It appears J.R.M. is planning to get his "no-deal" scenario in through the back door, whatever peoples view of him are, he knows is stuff & is adamant that any vote to take "no-deal" off the table requires a change in statute, not just a flimsy vote in the commons.

What a sorry state of affairs that he has become one of the poster boys for the hard Brexit brigade!

I agree with what has been said above:-
May Loses the vote tonight
Tomorrow the vote will be to take no deal off the table
Thursday the vote is to extend article 50 (not sure what for yet)
Because of the shower in the commons can't agree. We have to have another Referendum and we will vote to remain.

There‘s a rumour that May will pre-empt that by announcing she will request an extension immediately.

Mind you, there’s another rumour that the men in grey suits might pull the plug on her premiership tonight.

Who knows what happens next in either of those scenarios?

It’s a struggle to see her coming up with something radically different at this point, and a Conservative leadership campaign wouldn’t be exactly timely.

I don't [ithink[/i she can do that, unless she has tabled an amendment already.

However it ends up happening, we have a lame duck government and opposition, I reckon Guy Fawkes had the right idea centuries ago.

They are all self-serving (and I am talking ministers/shadow ministers here, not rank and file MP's who genuinely try to do their best)

Considering what has happened on Ben Nevis today, the last comment in the debate was seriously in poor taste.

I really can't see where she will go if or more likely when her deal is rejected.

The EU have said there will be no more negotiations on this and to be fair it seems they have held firm following the last vote, maybe given a little. Therefore, if the EU are really adamant that there not willing to negotiate any further, then equally why would they agree to extend article 50 to what end

Continuing Fishing Policy

Continuing Farming Policy

Continuing Migration Policy

Continuing Payments from the UK

Basically, no change!

Finally and hopefully Mrs May will resign by lunch time tomorrow.
The noose is already tightening, which seems to be affecting her voice.

The interesting bit will be just who replaces her.

Gove and Boris both seem ready for round 2, with back stabbing aplenty, Rees Mogg


Maybe even Amber Rudd with throw her hat in the ring and then we'll go through all of this again.

The one sure thing is, with Labour more fractured than the Tories, they will be nowhere near Downing street.

But, the only certainty is that there will be more uncertainty.

The ecconomy is flat lining and nobody gives a flying whatsit.

Indeed, our politicians have let us down totally, on all sides.

Watching it on BBC is painfull, so much flowery language and little substance.

I agree she should really resign, she went headlong into it not even taking her own party with her, but where will that leave the Brexit Negotiations.

I wouldn't turn my back on Gove especially if he has a knife, Boris is a Bafoon and was a terrible Foreign Secretary, 9I think ever May breathed a sigh of relief when he finally resigned), Reece Mogg No. If she does resign. I think Domonic Raab might just throw his hat in there.

to be fair I wouldn't like any of the bunch in the Commons at the moment anywhere near number 10. I just couldn't be more embarrassed at the whole fiasco.

A loss of one hundred & forty nine.

Resign now!

She can't, Liz will be watching American Pickers.

And who replaces her?

We are headed for a G.E, and the misery of a Labour Government I am afraid.

Labour are 8 points behind in the polls - even with this shambles of a PM - unreal

I think it matters little which party is in power, the general public ensure the country operates inspite of them. The only difference will be their own ideologies having this niche effects. A Labour government would be no more miserable then what have now. I have lived with both Labour and Tory tenures in my life and noticed little change between the two.

Just also seen May level some lip turn sleight on the House for rejecting her crappy deal, effectively saying because of their decision, the country is heading into disarray. Perhaps had she not run down the clock and looked to consult right at the very start of the process, she might have just found some middle ground.

I think the political correspondent Rob Watson summed it up nicely -

"Theresa May is in a profound crisis,the country is in a profound crisis, her governing Conservative Party is massively disfunctionally divided, Parliament is divided, the country is divided, business is despairing & we still don't know how Brexit ends, but apart from that everything's fine"

Anyhow, my question's this -

If Britain revoked Article Fifty, how long would they have to wait to invoke it once again?

Anyone?

IF we revoked article 50, and I don't know why I say "we", because what the majority of "we" wanted has been largely ignored, "we" would be stuck in Europe forever. (Which "I" would be quite happy about, but goes against what "we" voted for)

993 days of farce!

so, under WTO rules, cars from Europe go up £1500, beef goes up 52% etc etc etc, the leave campaign never told us any of this!

The problem is the referendum split the country but not along party lines. That means parties are going to struggle to sort it out as they’re always reluctant to meet in the middle to do a deal. Meeting in the middle is going to annoy people on both sides of the argument so much that the politicians are paralysed since they’re restricted by their own longer term ambitions. Leavers disagree on what it means to leave. Remainers are split into those who might go for a soft Brexit Norway option and those that want to forget the whole thing and stay in.

52/48 was always too close a result to settle this. In Australia they have referendums more often but in order to enact change the vote to change has to be about 75% IIRC. They should’ve done that with ours.

I'm pretty sure this government of the people have imposed far more draconian rules on trades union ballots than a mere majority.

Yeah, it’s noticeable that the Brexiteers talk in terms of the 17.4 million, which is legitimate and accurate, more than 52%, which is a majority but a narrow one. Obviously sufficient for Brexit, but not necessarily their preferred version of it.

I understand May’s instinct to try to firm up her base in the parliamentary Conservative party, having lost her majority. However, once the extent of the recalcitrance of the ERG became clear, the arithmetic became impossible for her. She chose holding that ship together rather building a cross-party consensus around a softer Brexit. In fairness, she might well have been chucked overboard if she’d tried the latter. But there was an element of personal pride in there as well, imo - in that she just couldn’t bring herself to ‘go crawling’ to Corbyn and Labour.