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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"We could just get on with it and leave with no deal in a few days I suppose. Indeed, at Government Departments across the land, people working in key areas that you would probably regard as being utterly vital are being hauled off to emergency plan the ruinous impact of no deal. Your taxes are being used to pervert the day job of the civil service from furthering the health and wellbeing of the nation, to trying to desperately mitigate the catastrophic impact.'"
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| What does everybody think will happen re the voting in the commons this week?
Mays deal will be defeated possibly Tuesday night
The Commons will then vote to take no deal off the table possibly Wednesday
They will then vote to ask the EU to extend article 50 by a couple of months possibly Thursday
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| I'm scoobied, mate. And I think everybody else is too.
It's like trying to predict which bit will fall off a clown car next.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"I'm scoobied, mate. And I think everybody else is too.
It's like trying to predict which bit will fall off a clown car next.'"
Why has May had to fly to Strasbourg, has she not heard of video conferencing?
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"The Referendum Act of 2015 required that the government report to the people of this country on 3 things:
1. The outcome of the negotiations with the EU.
2. The opinion of the Government on the outcome of the negotiations.
3. Information about membership of the European Union (obligations and rights etc).
Which they did via the leaflet. Part 2 clearly states that they were required to inform the UK of the government position, NOT to set out both arguments for and against.'"
I have had a quick look on the web to try and find the reasons nearly £10 million was spent on this Remain Propaganda Leaflet. so far, I have learnt that Cameron commissioned it as a response to 85% of people asking for more information on Brexit. it was then ratified and signed off by a Tory EU sub committee. A 220,000 petition was sent in against it. However, the response was that It was entirely legitimate for the gov to make its case and there was no legal reason why it could not do so. It was also put onto social media websites and a new website was also set up for it.
Which leads me to two conclusions
1) After the £9+ million spent on this very informative leaflet the country STILL voted to leave
2) I now have an answer to anybody who says we wasn't given enough information.
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| Quote ="POSTL"I have had a quick look on the web to try and find the reasons nearly £10 million was spent on this Remain Propaganda Leaflet. so far, I have learnt that Cameron commissioned it as a response to 85% of people asking for more information on Brexit. it was then ratified and signed off by a Tory EU sub committee. A 220,000 petition was sent in against it. However, the response was that It was entirely legitimate for the gov to make its case and there was no legal reason why it could not do so. It was also put onto social media websites and a new website was also set up for it.
Which leads me to two conclusions
1) After the £9+ million spent on this very informative leaflet the country STILL voted to leave
2) I now have an answer to anybody who says we wasn't given enough MIS information.'"
Amended for clarity
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| Quote ="MGarbutt1986"Amended for clarity'"
Amended to make it more Daily Express I'd say.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"Amended to make it more Daily Express I'd say.'"
You can't be serious, both sides lied.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"We could just get on with it and leave with no deal in a few days I suppose. Indeed, at Government Departments across the land, people working in key areas that you would probably regard as being utterly vital are being hauled off to emergency plan the ruinous impact of no deal. Your taxes are being used to pervert the day job of the civil service from furthering the health and wellbeing of the nation, to trying to desperately mitigate the catastrophic impact.'"
You would make a great disaster movie mate ![Smile icon_smile.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_smile.gif)
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| Quote ="POSTL"What does everybody think will happen re the voting in the commons this week?
Mays deal will be defeated possibly Tuesday night
The Commons will then vote to take no deal off the table possibly Wednesday
They will then vote to ask the EU to extend article 50 by a couple of months possibly Thursday'"
I'd go with that scenario, followed by endless air miles & more meaningful votes until May's crappy deal (which nobody really wants) scrapes through, with the M.P.'s holidays looming. Followed by the next day, May gimping up to the podium in front of Number 10 with that smug grin, to announce her work is now done & exits the stage ala Cameron.
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"I'd go with that scenario, followed by endless air miles & more meaningful votes until May's crappy deal (which nobody really wants) scrapes through, with the M.P.'s holidays looming. Followed by the next day, May gimping up to the podium in front of Number 10 with that smug grin, to announce her work is now done & exits the stage ala Cameron.'"
Boom ![bow down a014.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//a014.gif)
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| Quote ="POSTL"Boom
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Indeed, then BJ will get the gig and try and rip the whole deal up.
Meanwhile, Corbyn will be at a refugee camp in Syria recruiting.
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| Quote ="MGarbutt1986"You can't be serious, both sides lied.'"
See my previous posts about comparing a rubber dinghy to an oil-tanker.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"See my previous posts about comparing a rubber dinghy to an oil-tanker.'"
Remember George Osbourne threatening to hold an emergency budget straight after the referendum if we voted to leave, where he would have to further and drastically cut spending and increase taxes. Thats one of you rubber dinghies is assume.
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| Quote ="POSTL"Remember George Osbourne threatening to hold an emergency budget straight after the referendum if we voted to leave, where he would have to further and drastically cut spending and increase taxes. Thats one of you rubber dinghies is assume.'"
If you think the volume of deceit spouted by quitlings is REMOTELY equivalent to the things remainers have said inaccurately, then I have nothing at all left to say. It's futile.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"If you think the volume of deceit spouted by quitlings is REMOTELY equivalent to the things remainers have said inaccurately, then I have nothing at all left to say. It's futile.'"
I think its better if you don't, I chose to ignore it when you posted it originally. At the time he hadn't quit, believe me mate it was a real threat.
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| So the Leave campaign has been investigated and found guilty by the Electoral Commission - and is now the subject of an NCA investigation, with links to Russia, Steve Bannon, fraud and corruption - and some people think that's equivalent to predicting that the economy would suffer if we left the EU?
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| Quote ="bren2k"So the Leave campaign has been investigated and found guilty by the Electoral Commission - and is now the subject of an NCA investigation, with links to Russia, Steve Bannon, fraud and corruption - and some people think that's equivalent to predicting that the economy would suffer if we left the EU?'"
Can I just correct you on one point please, it was no prediction, he was going to do have to do it if we voted to leave, I'm not saying some people think that Osbourne's threat was equivalent, I'M saying for me working for the NHS with all the cuts previously it was worse.
With regards to the Leave EU being found guilty by the Electoral Commission on their spending they should quite rightly be fined, With regards to the other allegations I'm not going to comment at the moment because they are just that allegations.
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| Quote ="bren2k"So the Leave campaign has been investigated and found guilty by the Electoral Commission - and is now the subject of an NCA investigation, with links to Russia, Steve Bannon, fraud and corruption - and some people think that's equivalent to predicting that the economy would suffer if we left the EU?'"
To be strictly accurate, a Leave campaign rather than the Leave campaign. Vote.EU, rather than the Vote Leave campaign.
So, do we think the further reassurances will be enough? A lot of minds have to be changed, but while it’d be hard to say the EU have blinked, they’ve maybe uncrossed their arms and turned their palms outwards. I think the ERG could vote for it without losing face, but it’ll really come down to whether they ever really wanted to.
Edit - looks like the AG’s advice might have rained on the parade. Surprised by that, I thought she’d get him onside.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"To be strictly accurate, a Leave campaign rather than the Leave campaign. Vote.EU, rather than the Vote Leave campaign.
So, do we think the further reassurances will be enough? A lot of minds have to be changed, but while it’d be hard to say the EU have blinked, they’ve maybe uncrossed their arms and turned their palms outwards. I think the ERG could vote for it without losing face, but it’ll really come down to whether they ever really wanted to.
Edit - looks like the AG’s advice might have rained on the parade. Surprised by that, I thought she’d get him onside.'"
If the objection these people had before were about legally binding amendments, I can't see how 'reassurances' could change that stance; who would sign a contract containing clauses they fundamentally disagreed with, if the other party gave 'reassurances' that they'd never be enacted?
The whole thing is a fudge - Mrs May has been characteristically single minded from the outset, and her stupid red lines have alienated pretty much everyone, such that she suffered the biggest defeat in parliamentary history, on a flagship piece of government business. I predict a delay to Article 50, followed by further attempts to polish the same old turd, then a resignation.
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| So the DUP haven't formally rejected the new assurances as I write this but appear to have privately revealed that they do not see how the party can support the deal following Cox legal advice. No senior ERG comments yet but Andrew Bridgen of the ERG has stated that he believes nothing has changed. Given that ERG and other quitlings were waiting for DUP opinion, then can we can say with some certainty that the deal will be defeated tonight? That being the case, you'd have to assume that tomorrow we will see a no deal brexit also defeated.
Thereafter it becomes more uncertain but you'd think we have to immediately seek an extension to Article 50. Who knows to what end.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"So the DUP haven't formally rejected the new assurances as I write this but appear to have privately revealed that they do not see how the party can support the deal following Cox legal advice. No senior ERG comments yet but Andrew Bridgen of the ERG has stated that he believes nothing has changed. Given that ERG and other quitlings were waiting for DUP opinion, then can we can say with some certainty that the deal will be defeated tonight? That being the case, you'd have to assume that tomorrow we will see a no deal brexit also defeated.
Thereafter it becomes more uncertain but you'd think we have to immediately seek an extension to Article 50. Who knows to what end.'"
Deal rejected tonight
No Deal Rejected tomorrow
Article 50 extension requested
EU names it's price
Second Referendum
People Vote to Remain
May is happy, and quits.
Noel Edmonds becomes Prime Minister a he's the only person who can manage Deal or No Deal
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| Quote ="MGarbutt1986"Deal rejected tonight
No Deal Rejected tomorrow
Article 50 extension requested
EU names it's price
Second Referendum
People Vote to Remain
May is happy, and quits.
Noel Edmonds becomes Prime Minister a he's the only person who can manage Deal or No Deal'"
Well that's not the response I was expecting I'll give you that.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"Well that's not the response I was expecting I'll give you that.'"
What, the Noel Edmonds bit?
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| I loved the quote from one of the guests on 5 live this morning, likening EU membership to "Hotel California" where, "you can check out but never leave". Referring to the UK still having to adhere to most of the laws and regulations of the EU, even if we are "OUT", it made me chuckle.
Cant remember the guys name other than he was one of Thatcher's negotiators and his most interesting comment was a swipe at Mrs May, when he said that Thatcher would not have triggered article 50 until she was certain of what she wanted and equally certain of what could be achieved, something that Mrs May has failed on both counts.
Also, he wasn't over complimentary of our negotiators, which becomes more of a worry if we ever move on and start talking about the future trade deal, not only with the EU but, to the wider world. Something that we have been constantly reminded, by Brexitiers, will be the making (saving) of The UK.
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