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| In real terms compared to the markets, Trump is worth less now than he was 30 years ago. So when anyone says Trump is 'successful',
I always wonder how they're measuring that success, and whether they take into account his bankruptcies?
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Thats a little harsh. He has managed and overseen what would seem to be (at face value) a very successful global business and is a billionaire. Idiot's don't achieve such success.
If what has been reported is true, what exactly has he done wrong. Morally to some, having sex in a hotel with one or more unknown girls might not sit comfortably, but what exactly is the offence?'"
Have you never heard of leading by example ?
There is no denying that he is a very wealthy man and he's spent his life doing what ever he wants.
As President elect (President in a weeks time) do you not think that he should be thinking a little more about what he says and how he behaves ?
I must be from a bygone era when people in pubic office had somewhat higher personal and ethical standards.
I'm sure that his wife must be really impressed ![Embarassed icon_surprised.gifops:](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_redface.gif)
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| John Major was 'banging' Edwina. JFK, Hollande........... I could go on and on
It's not an offence, its just your take on it. How do you know what Trump and his wife have agreed on as acceptable marital practice, again just you believing what you do is the right thing. There is no one fits all I'm afraid.
You say he does what he wants, don't you? If you don't like fishing you don't go.
He has said what he said during the campaign and the Yanks have voted him in. Its US politics? Lots in the UK complained when Obama came here meddling in our politics on Brexit.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"John Major was 'banging' Edwina. JFK, Hollande........... I could go on and on
It's not an offence, its just your take on it. How do you know what Trump and his wife have agreed on as acceptable marital practice, again just you believing what you do is the right thing. There is no one fits all I'm afraid.
You say he does what he wants, don't you? If you don't like fishing you don't go.
He has said what he said during the campaign and the Yanks have voted him in. Its US politics? Lots in the UK complained when Obama came here meddling in our politics on Brexit.'"
Brilliant, we clearly have different views on how people should behave.
Even though I will never swim in the same pond as Trump and his ilk and nor would I want to, everyone should have some kind of moral compass, its what differentiates us from the rest of the animal kingdom.
Youll be condoning his views on Muslims, Homosexuals, Women, Mexicans and some of the other minority groups that he's had a go at in recent months.
This latest episodes was just the cherry on the cake.
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| What differentiates us from the rest of the animal kingdom is quite the opposite of what you say - it's our propensity for gratuitious destruction and evil.
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| Quote Youll be condoning his views on Muslims, Homosexuals, Women, Mexicans and some of the other minority groups that he's had a go at in recent months.'"
What makes you think that?
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"people in pubic office'"
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| Day 1 for DJT, let's see what he comes up with first.
I wonder if the brickies in the south are sharpening their trowels??
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Day 1 for DJT, let's see what he comes up with first.
I wonder if the brickies in the south are sharpening their trowels??'"
Yeah, right.
If he builds a wall/ fence too separate Mexico and The States, he will need every bricklayer and steel fabricator in the country and he has to firts of all work our how to get Mexico to pay, it should be interesting.
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| Well thats the end of the Asians trade deal they've been working on for years. I can't see the EU getting one any minute soon. Lets hope 'his Maggie' might be able to sweet talk him with a trip to see the Queen as a trade off for a UK deal ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Well thats the end of the Asians trade deal they've been working on for years. I can't see the EU getting one any minute soon. Lets hope 'his Maggie' might be able to sweet talk him with a trip to see the Queen as a trade off for a UK deal
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Given that the USA is the only major economy we have a trade surplus and balance of payments surplus with and Trump wants to end trade deals that the US loses from then methinks dirty Maggie May had best keep quiet about trade deals.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Well thats the end of the Asians trade deal they've been working on for years. I can't see the EU getting one any minute soon. Lets hope 'his Maggie' might be able to sweet talk him with a trip to see the Queen as a trade off for a UK deal
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Given that the USA is the only major economy we have a trade surplus and balance of payments surplus with and Trump wants to end trade deals that the US loses from then methinks dirty Maggie May had best keep quiet about trade deals.
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| Is it true that there has been an an assassination attempt on the new US president ?
I heard somebody pointed a gun at him and his head of security shouted ' Donald . Duck . '
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| You are quackers.
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| The wall gets signed off today. Foreign criminals get booted out, Muslims who are a threat wont get in.
He is true to his word. America first.
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| Quote ="Exiled down south"The wall gets signed off today. Foreign criminals get booted out, Muslims who are a threat wont get in.
He is true to his word. America first.'"
Are they the Muslims who wear a badge saying "terrorist"
There are more people being murdered in Chicago every year by AMERICANS.
Over 3000 people were shot in Chicago last year.
Shootings and murders are so common in this city that most dont even make the news and Trump wants to ban Muslims.
All countries try to keep known criminals out and unless someone comes of a plane with weapons in their hand luggage, it's nigh on impossible to know who the next murderer is and bearing in mind that they can arm themselves within minutes of entering the States, does he really think this will make a difference.
It's more likely to make it easier to recruit jihadists as they can point to the fact that they are being persecuted.
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| Quote Over 3000 people were shot in Chicago last year'"
Isn't Chicago the great saviour Obamas patch?
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Are they the Muslims who wear a badge saying "terrorist"
There are more people being murdered in Chicago every year by AMERICANS.
Over 3000 people were shot in Chicago last year.
Shootings and murders are so common in this city that most dont even make the news and Trump wants to ban Muslims.
All countries try to keep known criminals out and unless someone comes of a plane with weapons in their hand luggage, it's nigh on impossible to know who the next murderer is and bearing in mind that they can arm themselves within minutes of entering the States, does he really think this will make a difference.
It's more likely to make it easier to recruit jihadists as they can point to the fact that they are being persecuted.'"
The two matters are separate issues. Trump has already said he hopes to give hop back to the inner city poor and black citizens and stop the murders. As he rightly points out mainstream politicians have simply ignored these people and their situation.
As to more jihadists - if they aren't allowed to travel to the USA it's largely irrelevant to the USA whether there are 2 or 2 million of them.
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| Quote ="Dally"The two matters are separate issues. Trump has already said he hopes to give hop back to the inner city poor and black citizens and stop the murders. As he rightly points out mainstream politicians have simply ignored these people and their situation.
As to more jihadists - if they aren't allowed to travel to the USA it's largely irrelevant to the USA whether there are 2 or 2 million of them.'"
Let's hope that he has some success at home.
However, the point about Muslims was valid.
By singling out Muslims, he will do more harm than good.
All over the world, radical preachers will use Trump as a reason to join their fight and instead of eradicating the problem, the stance that he has taken against one particular religion will come back and bite him.
People are not born terrorists, they are converted and Trump should have said that he would stop everyone that was a threat (assuming they could be identified) rather than appearing to blame all Muslims.
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| Well thats been an interesting first week. Walls, immigration bans for personal from certain countries........... Let's see where it all ends up
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| An immigration ban that restricts entry to the US for nationals of 7 countries - none of which have produced a citizen who has carried out a terrorist attack on US soil, from 9/11 onwards. During the same time frame, 94 people have been killed in the US by terrorists, all of which were US Citizens. (facts - not alternative ones.) Also telling that several of the potential countries that could have been included on his list but weren't, are ones in which he has significant business interests. (opinion - possibly fake news.)
Meanwhile, about 12,000 US citizens are killed every year by guns, with a further 20,000 or so injured (facts again,) but Obama was repeatedly stymied in any attempt to control the 300 million guns (not a precise figure) that are in circulation.
He appears to have solved a problem that didn't exist.
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| Quote He appears to have solved a problem that didn't exist.'"
Based on your facts, alternative facts, opinions and not precise figures I would agree. Are you privvy to the intelligence briefings too?
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| Quote ="Exiled down south"Based on your facts, alternative facts, opinions and not precise figures I would agree. Are you privvy to the intelligence briefings too?'"
In the Trump world, facts seem to be whatever he wants them to be so, your post is irrelevant.
As I mentioned in my previous post, any political leader than singles out any particular race, creed, religion etc is clearly going to hack that group off.
It wont be long before one of these people goes ott and in America, that will lead to loss of life.
The guy hasn't yet worked out any level of diplomacy for the actions that he has taken or, wants to take in future.
We are leaving the EU and our other closest ally appears dangerous, a great move by the UK.
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| He's not interested in diplomacy.
He's a lying, racist, sexist bully. Why would he do diplomacy?
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| Quote ="Exiled down south"Based on your facts, alternative facts, opinions and not precise figures I would agree. Are you privvy to the intelligence briefings too?'"
I don't need to be. The facts are available to anyone who can type into Google - the opinion came from my own head - and the imprecise gun figure turned out to be conservative; the Congressional Research Service says 'more than' 300 million.
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