From my perspective, the long game as someone who is passionately pro-EU would be to accept a second referendum loss (it would break my heart but I'd accept the result), but then join the party and organisations that then campaigned on a manifesto of joining the EU. There's nothing more democratic than dusting yourself off and continuing to fight for what you believe.

What do you think will happen if there is a second referendum and "remain" win by a small (between 1-2%) margin.

Would the result of a second referendum be any more valid than the first time around and just how do you think the original 52% would react (excluding those that have passed away).

I voted remain but, I'm not comfortable with the second referendum at all and just how long would the referendum take and just as important, what questions should be on the ballot paper. Mrs May's deal or Remain.
Mrs Mays deal or No deal ?? it's not right

As for the elderly dying off and youngsters maybe voting to remain. IIRC, it was the apathy of the young (along with various other reasons) that "allowed" for a Leave result first time round.

you answered your own question re the polls,
I really can't and won't agree that hundreds of thousands of leave voters have died in the last 2 years, give it another few years and we will all be dead

I assume that no remain voters have popped their clogs in the last two years. However, I have mentioned an article in a previous post that does mention the influx of young people that didn't have a vote in 2016 might possibly sway the remain vote, but would still possibly be close. However, with all due respect its all mights and maybe's and does not constitute another divisive referendum in my opinion.

I do mostly agree mate. Not sure about the apathy of the young voters. The question I have "Is Mays deal that bad", apart from the backstop, is it not a deal that both the majority of both leave and remain voters could live with ??.

Apart from the backstop, it's somewhere in the middle.
Too hard for Remain voters and too soft for Leave voters.

As for apathy among young voters, you bet there was.
Despite this being the biggest "threat" to their futures and with most to lose (or gain), only 36% of 18 -24 year olds bothered to cast a vote and when you consider that the overall turnout was over 70%, this is appalling.

Ultimately, they (the younger generation) will endure any changes for the longest amount of time.
If Farage was right, they will have a better future than their parents / grandparents but, if he was wrong...……….

I'm not sure why you can't or won't agree. I don't think there's anything controversial about it. It's just maths.

600,000 people die a year in the UK, the overwhelming majority of which are older people. Older people voted 66% to leave. Therefore of the circa 1.8m people who have died since the referendum, wouldn't it be reasonable to surmise that 1.2m (66%) were leave voters? You could reduce the figures slightly to reflect that not everyone would vote, but the older demographic typically have very high turnouts.

I'm not saying it's the smoking gun to overturn the 1st referendum, but it's a valid consideration.

If its to hard for remain and to soft for leave then hey we have a compromise surely



I didn't realise that only 36% of 18-24 yr old voted, oh well might encourage them to use their vote in the future

Yes, it (the low turnout) certainly shoots holes in the argument about 16-18 year olds not having had the chance to vote. They need the will to use it first

Absolutely

No deal currently at 4-1 with Coral and Ladbrokes.

Time for some light prepping this weekend, I think. Get the panic in early. Makes you think about the true essentials in life. Bog roll being right up there.

You can come and borrow my b-day if things get really tough.

it's "bidet"

Yes but mines a new type top of the range one.
It flushes and washes your crack with champagne.

talk about thread drift! (although someone somewhere who has more money than sense probably own such a thing!)

I would be devastated if Jacob Rees-Mogg didn't have one.

If he's not got one, then they just don't exist trust me

Smart Arse

and if I ever go to WIZEB's house, it will be a clean one!

If it was 100-1 I wouldn't risk a bet

May would settle for a packet of Haribo, she clearly doesn't want out.

She was never a remainer. Her pre referendum interventions for remain were infrequent and lukewarm. Presumably merely keeping sweet the side she thought would win.

Ahhh, but would you (hypothetically) offer me, say 50-1 or 20-1?



I ‘bet’ you’ll be buying a couple of extra tins of beans and a bigger pack of Andrex than normal... I bet you will.



The chance to use WIZEB’s amazing bidet is definitely some consolation though.
Can I use your bog as well, mate? Or do I have to drive to Withernsea in stinky discomfort?

I would be happy to offer you 20-1 (not hypothetically) that we will not leave without a deal mate as long as you offer me 4-1 that we will aaaaaahhhhhh gotcha



On the bidet front, I've never used one and they frighten me a bit, I just don't fancy a jet of cold water shooting up my Jacksy, UNLESS Winzeb has one that uses warm water. I'm afraid I will have to draw the line at you using my bog, what ive managed to save is for me every one for themselves, if I let you everyone will want to use it

Bidets have mixer taps (loving the thread drift from the Brexit debate, which has both remain and leave sides bored)

I’m not much on a gambling man, i’m afraid - though I might be tempted to offer you 4-1 on (1-4) on deal or delay, if I were! That said, I hope you’re right.

I’ll be fine btw - I have a plan. It’s y’all who’ll be using the shiny 1980s British Rail issue stuff. There’s a childhood memory I wish I could forget.