Corbyn supported none of their killing and maiming, he just tried to get someone to publicly acknowledge the legitimacy of a desire for united ireland. JC has been fiercely anti violence ever since he came on the scene.

If the N Ireland parties feel the need to maintain a paramilitary wing then thats a matter for themselves - just don't be inviting either of them to prop up a government of either colour while those paramilitaries are still active.

You didn't click a single one of those links did you...?

How would you have a borderless Ireland ?
It sounds easy when you say it but, the reality is that it just isn't possible.
Effectively it would provide tariff free access in both directions and whilst there is little doubt that this may suit Ireland (North and South), it would no doubt become a gateway for a whole host of "under the counter trade".
There always used to be a heap of trade in the border towns and many of these were done within the "grey" market, is that really how you think it will work ?

On a side note, it seems that the Tories are too nervous about re running the GE and they seem to prefer limping along until they are finally put out of their governmental misery.

Are you still a big fan of Mrs May ?

I'd buy a ticket to watch that one !

In your rabid anti-euro world maybe, but the election result has put a massive hole in H.M.S. Hard Brexit.

It still doesn't make sense, how can you accuse someone of being a supporter of terrorism who is against violence? It's like calling someone a Commie Nazi.

If you want to debate Corbyn's economics or whatever then that's fine, but the whole 'pacifist terrorist' thing is a totally bizarre argument that TBH makes the people trying to use it look absolutely desperate and stupid. And trying to make out that he is somehow a bad guy for not wanting to nuke other countries is bordering on insanity.

Seems government don't understand the ramifications of their Fixed Term Parliament Act. On top of not knowing whether or not they have done a deal with the DUP their incompetence is now of farcical proportions. A true coalition of chaos (without even having a coalition)!

What they need to do is reach out to Labour to jointly negotiate the Brexit deal. If they were truly acting in the national interest (!!!!) they would. It would strengthen the UK's hand - 85% voted to leave the single market and allow them to squabble over who is blame if it all goes wrong.

Agreed, Brexit is such a major issue that the government need to be grown up about it and get other parties round the table, even the Jocks.

I dread to think what the results could be if they try and go it alone, they have brought nothing but chaos, uncertainty and made us a laughing stock before the whole international community.

There is a slim chance that if May can't form a government, Corbyn will get a go and I reckon he stands a reasonable chance of getting the progressive parties around and a few Tory back benchers. Otherwise, another general election which could go either way right now.

Sorry but, that would never happen, just as the Tories wouldn't back Labour is the boot was on the other foot.
Although hindsight is a wonderful thing, if it were possible, Brexit should have been looked at on a cross party basis, separate to ALL other policies.
Mrs May and her party, through utter greed and arrogance, may just have knackered our chances of getting a deal.
The 2 year time frame was always extremely tight and now, the Tories will be so busy trying to sort themselves out, that Brexit wont get the time and consideration that is requires.

Listening to the political commentators on the "Daily Politics", they (the Tories) are so fearful of losing a second election, that they will try and limp through.

Life really is stranger than fiction.

And on the other side of the coin not every person who voted for Conservative was just some rich person only worried about their wallet getting smaller. There are actually working class people who could see how the bigger long term picture of how bad Corbyn would have been even if others couldn't.

And no we don't need another newspaper link backing your view when you know it'd be easy to find links that told the opposite story.

For sure - there is a plurality of views; what I have a problem with is people who form their views on false information - of which Sal is a perfect example; soundbites and ill-informed repetition of a party line, without any enquiry or independent thought.

And you didn't click them either you dunderhead - one was a link to an FT analysis of why CT revenues went up last year, and the others weren't newspaper articles. If you are such a diligent researcher, feel free to provide counter arguments - you know I'm the kind of annoying person who'll read them; which will probably be a waste of my time, since you don't actually want to have a rational discussion.

You do realise that link you provided we couldn't read unless we signed up and subscribed to the Financial Times site.

You're probably right but as you say, life is stranger than fiction and incompetent May still has to get her Queens Speech through, which is no mean feat considering what the DUP will demand to prop her up. Guess we will find out if she has a conscience of any kind or as I suspect, hungry to hold onto power at all costs.

I pay no attention to the commentators, blowhards or just parrot whatever conventional wisdom is at the time, with a few exceptions.

We'll see - it aint over till its over!

My bad - I'm a subscriber, and I won't copy/paste it here, because subscription is what allows for proper journalism.

[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39869118Try this[/url; it's less sophisticated, but pretty balanced. In short, revenues went up in 2016 for a variety of reasons - and Labour's plans to raise revenue could work - or they couldn't. And Brexit throws the whole thing into disarray, because no one can predict what corporations will do if we lose access to the single market, and a ready supply of labour.

Interestingly, Corbyn is now ahead in the opinion polls, which is why the Tories are frightened to have a re-run.
The change in fortunes of the two parties is quite staggering.

You have a united Ireland - that is coming and that is what the DUP is fighting against but it is just a matter of time. Sheer weight of numbers tells you in <10 years this will be a united country.

I never was - her staying is doing the Tories no good what so ever. She had her chance she blew it a host of MPs lost their jobs because of her stupidity and not once has she said how sorry she is - that is the calibre of the individual. For me the best person to run this country is Andy Burnham - and I would never vote for him but I am not blinded to his qualities.

A united Ireland, although a sensible idea if you take politics and religion out of the equation, is less likely to happen with The Tories and DUP in bed together and it would probably mean a return to bad old days of sectarian shootings and bombings that the good Friday agreement almost put an end to.

I think you are right about May though and she has completely stuffed her own chances and those of the Tory party, through her vanity and greed.

The fall out within the Tory party and how long it takes for them to make some hard choices within their party are going to be mighty interesting.

Of course, despite May running off to see the Queen and telling us that they were able to form a government (with the DUP), they have first of all to get past the Queens Speech, which, at the moment, is not a certainty.

It's almost a coalition of chaos.

At this moment in time what with brexit, politicians need to do whats best for the country and put on a united front. Instead, you have the Tories who are clinging onto power without a care for the country.

Neither did she say sorry to the disabled people who were persecuted under her watch, the nurses who had to use foodbanks, or the teachers who had to beg parents to make good the shortfall in school funding so they could buy books and equipment; she has form in this regard.

That said - she has now said the Tory party will help those MP's who are in financial difficulty due to losing their seats through her incompetence; it seems there is a magic money tree after all, if you're a Tory MP...

I haven't seen her comments about helping those Tory MP's who have lost their seats and if true, I find that to be quite vulgar, especially after the deliberate and systematic destruction of manufacturing in the North of England.
MP's of everyone, know that their position is perilous and aside from the fact that many of them have paid work outside of Parliament, it's just not on.
I'll add this to my "against" column when we have the next election.

Will they be sending any money north of the border, to help the SNP candidates who lost their seats or are they just looking after themselves, again.

[url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/12/may-tells-tory-mps-1922-committee-i-got-us-into-this-mess-and-im-going-to-get-us-out-of-itIt's in here.[/url

I guess the 37 grand redundo and transitional expense claim isn't enough - maybe they should be subject to an assessment of their fitness to work before they're offered any help; and make sure they don't have a spare bedroom.

But in doing so he was suggesting that what the Catholics were doing was acceptable collateral damage in the struggle to get recognition. Did he come out and say this killing is unacceptable?

Then there is Corbyn admiration of Chavez in Venezuela, Gaddafi in Libya, Milosevic in Bosnia - the list is an extensive one!!

Dirt can be dug up on almost anyone. Hell the Tories supported the Apartheid government in South Africa around the same time you are calling Corbyn for being a terrorist sympathiser.

The last Labour government took us into an illegal war I didn't see any "were sorry" - that how in touch they are with the general public

The only reason a nurse would be using a food bank is because of other personal financial issues. If everyone earning less than a nurse was using foodbanks we wouldn't have to queue at the supermarkets - but you knew that really didn't you.

Most parents should have sufficient common sense to know what the educational needs of their child is and as such ensure their children are provided with the necessary material - we don't live in a nanny state where all responsibility is devolved to the centre.

Perhaps we should abandon foreign aid and put those billions into education?

Wow, you still aren't giving up are you ?

Labour (well, Blair) took us into Iraq, to back the Bush administration and I think just about everyone (apart from Bush and Blair) would acknowledge that it was a huge mistake, "sold" on a lie - WMD still not found



Although there are areas of Foreign Aid that are mis-used, however, as the 5th largest economy in the world, do you really think that we should abandon any help for countries or people in crisis ?

And as for payouts for MP, give them 3 months notice (severance pay) and get them back out into the real world.
They have failed in their "job" or, they would have been re-elected and at least, unlike yourself, they may have some empathy for those for whom they have caused hardship.

At least they went into politics knowing that elections occur within a 5 year cycle, not like regular members of the national work force.