Quote ="brearley84"corbyn only slightly did better than ed miliband! '" Not a bad result considering Miliband was favourite to win the election and Corbyn was supposedly looking at a Tory landslide. BTW look at this video which shows that Corbyn's manifesto was not just empty promises trying to win votes but stuff he has been talking about for over 30 years: https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status ... 6062211073

Quote ="brearley84"corbyn only slightly did better than ed miliband! '" Not a bad result considering Miliband was favourite to win the election and Corbyn was supposedly looking at a Tory landslide. BTW look at this video which shows that Corbyn's manifesto was not just empty promises trying to win votes but stuff he has been talking about for over 30 years: https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status ... 6062211073

Quote ="headhunter"Not a bad result considering Miliband was favourite to win the election and Corbyn was supposedly looking at a Tory landslide. BTW look at this video which shows that Corbyn's manifesto was not just empty promises trying to win votes but stuff he has been talking about for over 30 years: https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status ... 6062211073'" Talking about stuff is easy , actually implementing it is something entirely different , many of his idea's I agree with in principle , but I know they would never work in the real world , unfortunately Mr Corbyn doesn't live in the real world

Quote ="headhunter"Not a bad result considering Miliband was favourite to win the election and Corbyn was supposedly looking at a Tory landslide. BTW look at this video which shows that Corbyn's manifesto was not just empty promises trying to win votes but stuff he has been talking about for over 30 years: https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status ... 6062211073'" Talking about stuff is easy , actually implementing it is something entirely different , many of his idea's I agree with in principle , but I know they would never work in the real world , unfortunately Mr Corbyn doesn't live in the real world

And the Tories and the DUP wanting to be bedfellows is what exactly? The DUP leader like Sturgeon does not sit in the House of Commons. We were told in 2015 if we voted Labour we'd be being dictated to by the unelected (to parliament) leader of the SNP. Tories to accept the same from the leader of the DUP? Hypocrites or what?

You also ignore the context within this election was fought.

if this were an election fought in say 2003 when there was no Brexit, no SNP having wiped Labour out in Scotland the election before and no cabal of Labour MP's openly hostile to the leader for two years before the election you might have a point.

Context here is everything and to try and say "Yeah, but Labour still lost" is failing to acknowledge that.

The SNP have been told to give Indyref2 a rest. It's no longer necessary to vote SNP if you want a left of centre MP in Scotland. Sure the Tories did better than Labour but both parties won seats off the SNP. So this result gives Labour a credibility in Scotland it lost. Voters who voted Tory for unionist reasons only now know they can vote Labour instead. So do SNP voters.

It's up to Labour to show a united front now and quit the bickering that was on show before the election was called. Corbyn has suddenly become electable but more importantly credible. The Tories thought they could ignore him and his policies. How will they appeal to the young voters who voted against then because of being shafted with tuitions fees for example?

This result is great for Labour because it's blown things wide open but left the Tories having to deal with Brexit (which will annoy one section of their party immensely) and, in case you missed it, worsening economic conditions.

As I've said before, most of the policies listed in the Labour manifesto are already implemented throughout the world, so they can, and do work in the real world.

Unfortunately, it's a long way from check mate for them.
There will be a few contenders, possible comeback for Gove or Fox and if all else fails they could make the country look even more foolish and go for, the Tory clown, Boris.

You can just imaging Boris and Trump in the same room.
Trump would threaten to nuke someone and Boris would laugh and make a joke out of it.

Michael Gove back as environment secretary... He's already knackered the Education system, the environment should be a doddle, as the hard work is already done.

It was a response to the guy saying that Corbyn could just say whatever he wanted and make up a bunch of appealing policies because he knew he would never have to implement them. When actually his manifesto was stuff that he's been talking about for 30 years.

But like the other poster said, most of his policies are standard in many other countries. I saw some Swedish guy living in the UK who said he was shocked by the way Corbyn was viewed as radical here because he would just be a regular candidate in Sweden and everything he is proposing is taken for granted there.

lol you didn't think this through did you?

Statement of documented fact, but that never bothered Corbynites.

Nobody said he didn't agree with the stuff or that he hasn't been saying it for years, but he could just throw it all in in one go regardless of it not all adding up. And the 2nd point has already been answered, it's not that any of his ideas are radical or bad on their own, it's when you add them all up and try to do them at the same time along with Brexit and trying to hit the rich and businesses, the latter of which will vary in difficulty depending on which country you're in. To say "oh stuff works in other countries" makes politics sound naively easy.

Also if you want to talk about stuff he's been saying for years lets not forget the questionable/bad stuff too that his supporters try to dismiss as people just trying to slander him.

Pacifist and terrorist dont go together, please have a look in the dictionary.

Terrorist apologist, try READING.

In small economies like those in Scandinavia that kind of policy is more easily adopted - their isn't a country in Europe the size of the UK economy that has that level of government intervention.

Dennis Skinner has been spouting the same rhetoric as Corbyn for as long as Corbyn does that make those policies more/less valid?

What this needs is wealth generators - and what Labour wanted to do is tax the wealth generators into oblivion - it is a policy bordering on Lunacy!!

He wants to tax corporations at rates that would still be lower than 2010 - and at a rate that would still be the lowest in the G7; how many times do I have to repeat this before you actually read and understand it?

With regard to personal taxation - almost half the electorate voted for him; I don't believe for a minute that every single one of them was a member of the undeserving poor. There are actually people who can see the bigger picture and are prepared to make personal sacrifices for the greater good - the idiots.

What is clear is that there is appetite for change - and as long as the Maybot maintains her position of squatting in no 10 and rotating the same bunch of idiots who helped create this mess, propped up by a soupcon of regressive Orangemen, change is what we will get.

So what you are saying is if you give the wealthy more money, they may throw some crumbs down to the working classes? I'd rather any government force them to pay their way then leave it up to the wealthy to do whats right for the people of this country

That's not what he his saying, it's your interpretation of that. Meanwhile unpalatable as it seems ,Labour failed to win enough seats to form a government. That's democracy. Just remember that labour fought an effective campaign against a shockingly poor Tory one. Highly unlikely that situation will be allowed again.
Whilst this side show of an election was unfolding ,the French and Germans reiterated the hard stance they will undertake in the brexit negotiations. We are in for some extremely turbulent times.

I know the election result and TBH as far as i'm concerned it could be the worse result for the economy. If TM had fought a better campaign then we wouldn't be still talking about it. However she didn't and we've just got to make the best of what we had. Just remember, it was the Tories who called the Brexit referendum so if negotiations go tits up then they are to blame, no one else. If only they listened to peoples concerns not only before this election but before the referendum instead of their rich pals.

It is like bashing your head against a brick wall. Why do you think they reduced CT and the top level of personal taxation? They did it to increase the tax take - which - as unpalatable as it is to you - did exactly what it was intended to do i.e. tax take went up.

Why do you think reversing that policy will yield the results you think - oh yes its because all these companies are suddenly going to turn altruistic - and get the bigger picture!! you are truly delusional.

Do you really think there is an appetite for change - students came out to vote for their own benefit not because they also got the bigger picture. No reduction in tuition fees no younger vote. They were just reacting to a bribe if the Tories had offered the same they would have got the vote.

Do you honestly think there is an appetite for re-nationalisation, support for terrorists, great power for unions, increased borrowing to increase the salaries of public servants - possibly from the unions and the public servants?

May was a disaster but it should be short term, she makes Osborne look like a political giant - if Corbyn got in the detrimental impact of his strategy could take decades to put right

Although it does seem bizarre, I agree with you on "tax take" as the exchequer did receive higher revenues on a lower top rate.
However, you then go on to mention "support for terrorists".

Why is it ok for Mrs May to make "an agreement" with the DUP but not ok for Corbyn to talk to some of the people that he has allegedly spoken to in the past.

The DUP seem little different to Sinn Fein and yet, they will now hold the balance of power.
It, quite simply, is not right.

The current set up is clearly not going to last and the sooner that Mrs May has the sense to realise this and either steps down or, better still, calls another GE, the better for all of us.

THe Brexit clock is ticking and Mrs "strong and stable" May is now putting her own personal situation above the needs of the country.

It really is.

For your delight and delectation, [url=https://www.ft.com/content/ca3e5bd2-2a7e-11e7-9ec8-168383da43b7?mhq5j=e3here are the facts,[/url which I know you're not a fan of; it's a rather more nuanced picture than you desperately try to portray.

With regard to overall tax take, it's fluctuated between 35-38% of GDP since 1997.

And just a note on the myth that Corbyn's plans would plunge us into crippling debt; [url=http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/the-conservatives-have-been-the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/this data[/url would suggest otherwise.

I can't even begin to address the irony of your stupid terrorist comment, other than to remind you that Mrs May is now a hostage to the DUP. The DUP who, according to Wikpedia:

"During the Troubles, the DUP opposed attempts to resolve the conflict that would involve sharing power with Irish nationalists/republicans, and rejected attempts to involve the Republic of Ireland in Northern Ireland affairs. It campaigned against the Sunningdale Agreement of 1974, the Anglo-Irish Agreement of 1985, and the Good Friday Agreement of 1998. In the 1980s, the party was involved in attempts to create a paramilitary movement, which culminated in Ulster Resistance."

And for good measure, is:

"...socially conservative: it is anti-abortion, opposes same-sex marriage, and formerly campaigned against the legalisation of homosexual acts in Northern Ireland."

The DUP ladies and gentlemen

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In 2016/17 the tax receipts from CT was 56bn an increase of 21% on the previous year - does that suggest to you there is a link between falling rates and increased take or are you still in denial?

If you IFS they will say Corbyn's borrowing cannot be paid for by CT and taxing the rich - it is who do you believe? That level of borrowing is beyond anything we have seen in this country for decades - but hey keep believing.

The DUP are not ideal bedfellows and some of their beliefs are not mine but then there are a host of religious MPs in all parties that I'm sure don't agree with abortion or same sex marriage. The leader of the Liberals for one - so their views are not way out David Ike stylee.



Jeremy would have to bow down to Queen Nicola to get power - she doesn't even want to be in the union!!

Let's face it the DUP were in the middle of a civil war - would you have trusted McGuiness and Adams in the 70's? Funnily enough Corbyn supported all their killing and maiming - nice guy, no wonder he is a pacifist now found his consunse!!

Sinn Fein still has a military wing so why are you so concerned about the DUP having one? Its OK for the Catholics?

The only way out is through no deal - if you stay in the single market you can't cut individual deals.

Better just accept its the WTO terms try and agree a borderless Ireland and move on.

Trump and Corbyn...imagine that