Corbyn thinks he can oust May as early as the Queens Speech. If he does, I predict another GE in which Labour get trounced.

Containing the deficit or balancing the budget is just an aspiration. Like providing good healthcare or reducing crime. In terms of how you do it, taking steps to reduce tax avoidance is a minimum first step. That'd require a nuanced approach admittedly, but first of all you need the will, which I believe the Tories lack. Also you can adopt policies to foster growth, as a plausible alternative to austerity. And let's not forget that it was de-regulated market capitalism that caused the global economic crisis.

Johnson is a bright enough guy, but he's a bit of an empty vessel.

On reflection, if Corbyn does defeat May in an early parliamentary vote his one tactic that could work would be to offer to be PM of a coalition including Tories. If he publicly reached out to Tories in the national interest and they rejected him forcing an election that could work against the Tories.

I'd be careful to make sure I knew what I was talking about before calling people imbeciles tbh.

We don't have a shoot to kill policy for the obvious reason that you can't get information from a corpse. The only time that the police will shoot someone dead is if there is an imminent and serious risk to life.

Corbyn said he was against a blanket shoot to kill policy that was being proposed after Paris.

I do know what I am talking about, he's a pacifist terrorism apologist and has admitted he wouldn't have the mettle to press the button if the time came. He's better off pottering in a shed and missing open goals, the guy can't even muster a high five!

It's not a matter of mettle! To be honest if there is a nuclear holocaust heading this way then it doesn't matter 1 jot if we launch our nukes or not because we will all be dead. Only Russia and USA could conceivably attack the UK and either one of them would destroy us with no difficulty at all.

They are there as a deterrent and as soon as someone launches one, the whole system fails.

The difference was Labours offer to remove Uni fee's , priming an increased vote by those it affects , the young voters , their parents and grandparents

The issue is , could/can Labour deliver that , and all the other promises ?

the could offer and say what they liked as they were never going to win enough seats to make them actually have to try do it!

You really do under estimate Johnson - underneath the bluster is a guy with a deep understanding of the issues at hand. One thing is for sure he has a lot more to offer than the likes of Jeremy, John and Emily.

What policies did Labour offer that would foster growth?

All Labour offered was to take more money from the very people who generate the growth and increase the size and cost of the state?

No chance to reduce tax avoidance - this is a global issue - and their will always be loopholes that the clever can exploit. There will also be countries that see the benefit of increasing their tax take via lower rates of taxation. I come back to point that tax avoidance is all about paying the correct tax in line with the law.

It was one element - banking - that caused the global issues - normal businesses even the big ones never changed their behaviour.

Indeed

Interesting use of "never"

The Tories, despite having a 20% lead in the polls when May "changed her mind", again and called an election, couldnt muster an overall majority and had they not jumped in bed with the Unionists, they couldnt form a government.
We will all have another chance to vote within the next 12 months so, we'll see what happens then.
Maybe The Tories will get their act together or, perhaps Labour will gain power.
What we have is a very, very fragile government, a slowing economy and the EU hierarchy laughing at us, I'm sure that Mrs May is very proud of her efforts

The Tories were a lot closer forming a government than Labour who would have had to get into bed with the SNP a party who don't actually want to be part of the union - it would be funny if it weren't so tragic. Get a throne for Queen Nicola

The EU will not be laughing if we just walk away - they can't actually fund the running costs of the organisation without our brass

Yet the DUP who are a party who support Brexit are representing a part of the Uk who did not support Brexit will get a seat at he table whilst the SNP a party that opposed Brexit and represent a part of the UK that opposed Brexit and have three and half times more seats than the DUP will have no say in the Brexit negotiations.

It would be funny if it was not so tragic.

It's politics , Similarily UKIP had a sizeable % of the population vote for them in 2015 , but didn't actually win a seat

Just the way it is , the Tories got more votes than last time , but less seats

Labour should have won more seats then this would not have been an issue for you - hopefully we will get another election as this was far from ideal - May has to go and you cannot see Labour being able to offer anything more?

I think you may find this statement to be wrong.
Yes, they will have to make some changes but, life will go on without the UK being part of the EU, just as it will for The UK being on the outside.
Mind you, with a "softer" Brexit now very likely, perhaps we will still make some kind of "contribution" to remain in the single market ??

As for the "laughing", I'm pretty sure they are pi$$ing themselves at the thought of negotiating with Mrs "shall I, sharn't I" May.
I described her as a "wind bag", not long after she took the reins and she's living up to that.
She has no substance and shocking political judgement and the country was asked to trust her with all of our futures.
I dont think that Corbyn would be any good either but, that's what "we" voted for.
They ought to put Farage in charge of the negotiations

The DUP might get a seat at the table but what did being in a coalition do for the Lib Dems apart from make Nick Clegg look like Cameron's tea boy? They've never really recovered from then.

There'll be a world of difference between dealing with the lib dems and the DUP. I've not got much time for the DUP's policies, but they won't go into this with the tragi-comic naivety of Nick Clegg.

The Tories will be the screwees in this relationship.

From a short-term national interest POV, a Con-lib alliance for a moderate compromise Brexit would be a decent idea. That bridge was well and truly burned though.

If they have any sense they know she will not be the one doing the talking - Farage would be so funny

Although I dont like the bloke and dont agree with his politics, I do believe he would fight "our" corner and he certainly wouldnt take any crap.

Also, with Mrs May's "failed" election and the likelihood of losing valuable negotiating time, whilst the Tories have a leadership election AND the possibility of another general election, there wont be much time, relatively speaking, to sort out a deal.
Someone like Farage could do the job and with a "no deal" looking most likely, he would have nothing to lose.

It's all a bit of a shambles though.
Lions lead by donkeys springs to mind.

corbyn only slightly did better than ed miliband!

Corbyn was never in the game though and started from 20 points back in the polls.
I was supposed to be a walk over.

To gain a "winning draw" versus a political no hoper, is not exactly vindication is it



This time next week, Corbyn will still be leader of his party, what about Mrs May ?

Who takes over though?... Boris, Hammond, Gove, Rudd etc.. really awful alternatives.

Its really looking checkmate for the conservatives right now.

Is that a good thing for Labour - he lost by 60 seats, most leaders would have done the honourable thing? How Labour see this as some kind of victory defies belief. That is only eclipsed by Queen Nicola no wonder they want to be bedfellows.