So, between the babble from the IG on Marr this morning, they don't currently have any confirmed policies, but they will base their policies on empirical data and evidence, as opposed to ideology.

Great idea, so that means we'll see a higher minimum wage, higher top tax rates, inheritance taxes, decriminalisation of drugs, a much quicker shift to renewable energy, public investment in infrastructure, proportional representation, non renewal of trident, remaining in the EU, and an overhaul of our education system, and cheaper higher education.

Most of which was in the labour manifesto anyway.

If the IG had policies that would set out to achieve some of those things, I'd consider voting for them, but I think we'll just end up with a set of policies Blair and Cameron would've come up with.

I think there’s a case for evidence based politics in deciding how best to reach desired goals. However, you still need to have priorities and state your goals to have coherent political narrative. We all want what’s best, but that means different things to different people.

If the IG is to have a voice it needs a top-level message.

The conservatives highlight ‘opportunity’, labour talk about ‘the many’. In fairness, the Lib Dem’s website just talks generically about ‘better’ on its front page.

For now it is just a grouping. Whether it can become a party with a leader, and a manifesto is hard to say at the moment.

So, May denies running down the clock, but once again delays the vote!

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I'm not sure just how much the IG will grow but, I think they are keeping their "gun powder" dry until they know exactly how strong their group is going to be.
It's a little too soon to be trying to pin them down.
Hell, Corbyn has had over 3 years as Labour leader and nobody yet knows his stance on Europe, he's been rather reticent in committing himself or his party in either direction.

The labour position on Brexit is pretty clear in their manifesto, isn't it? To hounor the referendum result, remain in the customs union, maintain ties to the single market, protect workers rights, maintain a soft Irish border, and to take all steps to avoid a no deal. All positions which the EU seem to think are workable.

They also appear to be moving towards backing a 2nd referendum, if MPs don't back May's deal.

And dont forget the 6 (impossible) tests, which allows them to vote against any and every deal !

How can you remain in the customs union/single market and leave?

You can maintain a soft Irish border if you remain in the union?

No wonder the EU think its workable

In fairness, I think that Corbyn was talking about "A" customs union, a bespoke arrangement, I think.
IF this were possible AND we could still negotiate bespoke trade deals, that would be ok but, at the moment it's pure conjecture.
It's quite increddible that the Tories, allegedly the party for business can allow the UK ecconomy to drift along without any guidance and whether May is deliberately winding the clock down in some political game of "who blinks first" or being shrewd with her negotiating (there's more chance of knitting fog), I dont know but how the hell is any business supposed to plan their buying/ selling strategy on if's and but's.
The whole country is having to make decisions with their eyes half closed, it isn't helping one iota.

As Boris said "F*** business!"

Yes, he, along with many others has more faces than the town hall clock and it depends who he is talking to as to which mouth speaks.

Yes they will , because all that includes free movement , so essentially staying in the EU

Yes they will , because all that includes free movement , so essentially staying in the EU

So Jeremy's now found another fence to sit on

It should all get interesting again this afternoon.
I wonder if the threat of resignations, on her front bench, will cause the expected delay in Brexit.

A second referendum is just ridiculous and with uncertainty already harming the ecconomy, just how long do "we" want this to go on for.

Mrs May has been truly shocking as a leader and has completely lost control of her own MP's, never mind providing any kind of effective government.
The country seems to be being "run" by the equivalent of the "stand in teacher", with all of the class doing whatever they please, without any fear of the consequences. #Toryanarchy

It isnt just the tories though is it , jeremy's had more positions now than the karma Sutra , the latest being remain and remain , when for decades he's been a brexiteerer as are probably the majority of his partys voters

I totally agree.
Apart form being a lifelong Eurosceptic, Corbyn has tried his hardest not to personally commit to any position on Brexit, hoping instead to force a general election.
Unfortunately this has failed and he may now end up having to support a second referendum and ironically, can only be saved form this if Mrs May gets her deal through parliament.
So many MP's supposedly trying "to respect the result of the referendum" but, working "to remain", not quite carrying out the wishes of "the people".
Why oh why, didn't May set up a cross party group at the outset and instead, try to force HER own vision of Brexit, which could never and will never get past the finish line.
She's had one task to complete and has almost been forgiven for abandoning everything else in the Tory manifesto and she has mad an absolute hash of it.
Comfortably the worst Prime Minister in history and The Tories can only get rid if she chooses to step down.

You seriously think a ' cross party group ' could have been formed , or worked ? , would jeremy have done that ? , do you seriously think if labour had won the 2017 election we'd have been in any better a position now ?

In honesty, probably not.

However, with both parties split on the EE, the only way that ANY deal can get through parliament, is with MP voting with the opposition.
If EITHER party is serious about Brexit, there will have to be some cross party consensus, if not it cant happen.

Even if Labour managed to seize power (very unlikely), we would end up back in the same place but, this time Labour would need help form some of the Tories.

Again, because this line gets trotted out repeatedly by the Leavers. Two thirds of Labour voters backed Remain. Almost three quarters of the membership.

Where you get the notion otherwise, I really don’t know.

This.

Added to the fact that the Labour position on Brexit has been crystal clear since the party conference.

All this ballcocks about Labour's position is just lazy, rented opinions from MSM journalists, acting as stenographers for the Tories.

Is that Labour members or Labour voters and if so, why did so many Labour constituencies vote "Leave", especially in the North of England and is this just more fake news

70% of Labour Constituencies voted to Leave the EU!
David Mallon delegate from Blyth valley CLP.
David Mallon talked passionately at the Labour Party conference imploring the Labour Party not accept the People’s Vote.
David told the conference in no uncertain terms what supporting a people’s vote would mean to the people of his constituency. David’s constituency of Blyth valley was just one of the 70% of Labour constituencies that voted to leave the EU.
David invited the conference to “come to Blyth valley the area of Blyth valley the rundown abandoned constituency telling in a clear message for too long these people have felt marginalised.”

And what benefit did the suddenly prophetic David think that leaving the EU would bring to his marginalised constituents?

I'm not sure Bren but, if 2/3 of Labour voters voted remain and yet 70% of Labour constituencies voted Leave, i'm not convinced that everyone is telling the right tale and at some point, regardless of whether it's Labour or the Tories in power, somebody has to reconcile the differences between the two halves of the nation, starting with the elected members in Westminster.

You are aware that in a Labour constituency, not everyone votes for Labour?

Just to explain further.

Labour - 45% (16% Leave)
Tories - 36% (26% Leave)
UKIP - 10% (10% Leave)
LibDem - 9% (0 Leave)

A bit of a simplification but it’s clearly a Labour seat.

Almost two thirds of Labour vote remain. Leave wins 52-48.