May offered the Tory 'sheep' nothing. Austerity for the many, a further running down of public services and a tired soundbite. I know you guys are forelock-tugging masochists, but even so.

the 'strong and stable' and 'fighting our corner rhetoric', must have worried as many as it reassured. A degree of imagination and flexibility will be needed as we seek an [iagreement[/i with negotiation partners.

And while Labour didn't win, we at least got a glimpse of something better and more hopeful, which is rare and precious, in a world where 'snowflakes' (very original btw, clearly nothing ovine about you) are gleefully told to suck up hardships.

My wife is a red Mancunian, but having lived there for the best part of 10 years in the 90s and noughties, I think the simile can be extended to some aspects of Manchester United.

Like the Tories, they rely on their huge wealth to beat their opponents, they have an over developed sense of entitlement, and recently have mostly disappointed their fans.

Mind you, anybody but Chelsea.

No surprise the Tories are willing to risk peace in NI. But power at any costs is a Tory mantra. Still I doubt they will be attacking Corbin for speaking with Sinn Fein after having an agreement with the DUP who are still talking to terrorists. www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... 94023.html www.irishnews.com/news/political ... r-1043974/

No surprise the Tories are willing to risk peace in NI. But power at any costs is a Tory mantra. Still I doubt they will be attacking Corbin for speaking with Sinn Fein after having an agreement with the DUP who are still talking to terrorists. www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... 94023.html www.irishnews.com/news/political ... r-1043974/

True but then she had to be realistic as she was always likely to win. Corbyn could go out and promise the world safe in the knowledge he wasn't really going to have to produce. He played fantasy politics and just produce a manifesto that sounded great and plenty got sucked into that, fortunately enough saw that it sounded too good to be true and wasn't realistic. The young vote clearly not experienced enough to know how unrealistic he was got tempted by an old man offering them free stuff.....guys get arrested for that sort of stuff

As opposed to Theresa may who sucks up to backward looking Unionist terrorists?

The funniest thing in this election is Tories telling themselves this humiliation is okay because they 'won'

Nearly as funny as the Labour Party losing 3 elections on the run.

I see it more as a team that thinks they can beat anyone, find some opposition at the last minute and want to show how good they are, get held to a draw by a team of "nothings" and go off to lick their wounds and probably change their manager before the new season.

Remember, Labour gave the Tories 20 points start and still held them to a draw



Mrs May has done more damage to the UK in just a few months than any party in history.

She should resign NOW.

What damage?
Why should she resign?

Labour LOST, get over it.

Quote ="PCollinson1990"Why should she resign?'" Maybe the two thirds of her party members can answer that one. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... isastrous/

Quote ="PCollinson1990"Why should she resign?'" Maybe the two thirds of her party members can answer that one. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... isastrous/

Quote ="King Street Cat"Maybe the two thirds of her party members can answer that one. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... isastrous/'" A snap survey conducted by the Conservative Home website revealed that 60 per cent of party members believe Mrs May should quit while just 37 per cent of the 1,500 members who took part said she should stay in post. Hardly conclusive evidence, but keep the Tory bashing going.

Quote ="King Street Cat"Maybe the two thirds of her party members can answer that one. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... isastrous/'" A snap survey conducted by the Conservative Home website revealed that 60 per cent of party members believe Mrs May should quit while just 37 per cent of the 1,500 members who took part said she should stay in post. Hardly conclusive evidence, but keep the Tory bashing going.

She's a clown - she called a completely unnecessary election, knowing that there would be 10 days before the most important negotiations of our time afterward.

She has lost the tories plenty of seats and made them much weaker, u-turned on just about every policy they came up with, ran the most negative campaign imaginable - she's a disaster area!

PM is there to enable strong and stable government, not just repeat the words ad nauseum

OK, you're entitled to your opinion. Nobody would be as much of a disaster as Cringebin.(in my opinion)

Cringebin.. really?

Even her own party wants her to resign, now she wants to form a government with abortion hating, gay rights opposing creationists with links to terrorism.

There will be another election within 12 months max.

not a bad move from tories really, only had 2 year guaranteed before the snap election , now got another 5!

got to love UK politics . lose by 57 seat and claim victory, lose a third of your SNP seat and claim victory, lose the majority government and claim victory!

As opposed to Labour PM with actual links and support for terrorists

be careful what you wish for!

Just a false narrative though. Corbyn is/was fiercely anti-violence and was talking with Sinn Fein publicly while the government negotiated behind closed doors.

The paramilitary wing of the DUP bombed a kids school as recently as 2001.

One byproduct of the election which most people seemed pleased about, was the collapse of the snp vote. That's put the independence whining to bed for the foreseeable future.
You would have a heart of stone not to laugh at salmonds downfall, especially as several weeks ago he was bragging that no Tory would take his seat. Also mr smugness himself angus Robertson , another one to bite the dust.

Yes, he'd have cheerfully sat by and watched hundreds massacred on the bridge with a no "shoot to kill" policy. He's an imbecile.

There's some truth in that. But at least he forged a narrative things could be better. May's 'it's , but there's nothing that can be done' approach relies on fear, and any sign of that diminishing is a cause for a smile in my opinion. There'll be few enough opportunities in the coming months I... fear.

Also the only reason she can't shake the magic money tree, is because she and her ilk are owned by its owners.

To answer your question.
Mrs May, the "leader" of the UK, on the flimsiest of reasons decided to go against the Tories own rules and call a snap election, despite having said on numerous occasions that she wouldnt.
The "reason" for this was to show how "strong" our government was and to "improve" our bargaining position with the EU.
She spectacularly failed to improve her majority in Parliament and is now left doing deals with the Unionist movement in N. Ireland (having already criticised Corbyn for doing deals with "terrorist" organisations).
By her own definition she has weakened Britain's negotiating position with the EU and she has lost all of her already weakening authority, both within her own party, plus the UK and the wider world.
She is hanging onto the cliff edge by her finger nails and she should step aside and allow someone with better leadership credentials to take the Tories and the country forward.

As for getting over it, I've nothing to get over.
I'm shocked that we have a hung parliament and for my personal views, a softer Brexit deal, which is now somewhat more likely, suits me just fine.

I will finish with a question for you though.

Do you think that Mrs May will be

a). leader of the conservative party in 5 years time or
b). leader of the conservative party at the end of 2017

With less than 2 years to conclude Brexit, "we" could lose a few months valuable negotiating time for a Tory leadership vote and possibly even more time if there needs to be another general election.
As I'm sure you are aware, trying to run the country as a minority government usually lead to an early election.

On paper, May is best placed to lead the UK. Which is not to say well placed. The problem is she'll be fending of the sharks in her own party (and given it's the Tory party that is a lot of sharks), while trying to negotiate brexit and appease her deeply unimpressed press baron patrons and DUP props.

Hammond's got less charisma than her, Johnson is a clown, and any moderates would be torn apart by their hard right nut job element. So David Davis it is then. Poor .

Meanwhile a Labour Party for whom obituitaries were being written has a chance to get its poop together. Which it really, really needs to do, I admit - but at least now there is hope.

Fantasy politics? Non-tuition fee higher education is the norm across most of Europe, and is common on every continent. Even Greece and Estonia have it!
Renationalising the railways wouldn't cost a thing. Not to mention the fact that most of the rail franchises are currently owned by the Chinese, Qatari, and French governments.
Renationalising the national grid, and water industries wouldn't add to the public debt because the cost is contra'd by the value of the gained asset.

The fact is, 7 years of austerity has created a zombie economy with falling productivity, stagnating wages, slowing growth, and failing public services. The 'recovery' has essentially been fueled by a HUGE increase in consumer debt, and when private debt is so high generally this causes private debtors to deleverage on their debts, thus reducing demand within the private sector. This is what's happened in the wider economy in the last 7 years, but the service sector has helped paper over the cracks, unfortunately rising inflation will mean consumers will likely have less money to spend within the service sector, hence the gloomy economic forecasts being made at the moment. So, when the private sector can't stimulate growth, the public sector has to fill the void.
It seems to me that many people think that the public and private sectors of the economy operate independently from one another, but they are both part of one economic ecosystem, and both fuel growth.

Non tuition may be the norm in other countries, the problem was he was trying to introduce this at the same several free things along with big spending on numerous other things at the same time as hoping to hammer the rich and businesses AND brexit. That's why it was fantasy, it was all too much and too unrealistic. People saw 2/3/4 things that they agreed with and didn't add all the things up and realise it was OTT vote grabbing nonsense. Don't give me fantasy give me realism.

Whilst I didn't want Labour/Corbyn to win THIS election I really do hope they get their act together and really threaten to win next time. But I'm already worried that they're acting like they won and will get complacent. At the end of the day they are still plenty of seats behind and it's hard to imagine the Tories being as bad next time. The Tories I think already know where they went wrong, as good as people think Labour did they still turned some off as seen by responses on this thread alone but already the attitude seems to be to dismiss those criticisms as slurs or slander of poor sweet innocent Jezza instead of things they should listen and learn from.