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| Quote ="chissitt"Simple question to you if you can give an answer without the ignorant and unnecessary abuse, nobody on here has labelled you a gullible moron for supporting that Davey bloke and his bunch of misfits, so why do you persist with the playground stuff against people who don't share your beliefs?, no rush with your reply squire
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If people believe these Daily Mail stories then I'm afraid they are gullible morons. The Mail stories are so transparent and paper thin that it doesn't stack up to anyone who has an ability for critical thought.
I certainly haven't accused anyone on here of being a moron though - because I'm sure there aren't people here who actually believe the Mail stories.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"If people believe these Daily Mail stories then I'm afraid they are gullible morons. The Mail stories are so transparent and paper thin that it doesn't stack up to anyone who has an ability for critical thought.
I certainly haven't accused anyone on here of being a moron though - because I'm sure there aren't people here who actually believe the Mail stories.'"
With a sidestep like you have and the rhinos not being at their best, maybe JJB should look to playing you till better times
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| I wonder what the front page stories in the Mail and Sun will be on Friday and beyond. I would hazard a guess it won’t be about Keir Starmer and the beer and curry. If it was such a big story why haven’t other papers led on this for the last week because it is just propaganda put out by the de Pfeffel press to try to swing the votes on Thursday.
It is so obvious I doubt other than the most desperate will not see through it.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"[uIf people believe these Daily Mail stories then I'm afraid they are gullible morons[/u. The Mail stories are so transparent and paper thin that it doesn't stack up to anyone who has an ability for critical thought.
I certainly haven't accused anyone on here of being a moron though - because I'm sure there aren't people here who actually believe the Mail stories.'"
No you haven't accused anybody on here of actually been a moron but you've tried unsuccessfully to imply that, because somebody has a different opinion to yours does not make him a moron but once again your defence mechanism springs into action with the insults.
The Daily Mail stories might be paper thin and transparent and don't stack up, I for one don't know nor care, but it all seems one sided on here, if you don't agree with what's been put or if you ask for an explanation as to why you say things, straight away the shutters are down and it's back to the playground bullying and branded a Tory lover.
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| There are occasions when there is only one side which in this case is obvious because of the timing and the papers involved. If it was so clear cut an offence why would the Express not lead on this story and they employed de Pfeffel.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"It's all a bit desperate.
A drink in a constituency office in not quite the same as the weekly parties at no 10, especially remembering the levels of restrictions that were in place at the time,
There is plenty more to come in "Partygate" and hopefully this, along with some poor local election results, will see the Tory Party grow a pair and get rid of Bojo.
Mind you, he's already purged the Tory Party of most of the "decent" candidates to "get Brexit done" and it looks like Jeremy Hunt may be the only candidate left who hasn't been "damaged" and he wasn't exactly popular last time he was in the Cabinet.'"
How often do you have an alcoholic drink when your working ??
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| The whataboutery is never going to end with this lot
In times of crisis for the Party and the Leader anything, no matter how spurious, needs to be deployed in their efforts to distract and dissemble.
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| Quote ="ColD"How often do you have an alcoholic drink when your working ??'"
Not often but, it's certainly happened several times over the years.
Mind you, If you are suggesting that it shouldn't happen or that someone was breaking the rules, how many fines should Bojo have received.
There is his Birthday, Downing Strest quiz night and the Garden Party where drink was in evidence, all during "full lockdown" all involving Bojo, where people were supposed to be working from home and not mixing ?
If Starmer has broken the rules he should be dealt with accordingly
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"It's all a bit desperate.
A drink in a constituency office in not quite the same as the weekly parties at no 10, especially remembering the levels of restrictions that were in place at the time,
There is plenty more to come in "Partygate" and hopefully this, along with some poor local election results, will see the Tory Party grow a pair and get rid of Bojo.
Mind you, he's already purged the Tory Party of most of the "decent" candidates to "get Brexit done" and it looks like Jeremy Hunt may be the only candidate left who hasn't been "damaged" and he wasn't exactly popular last time he was in the Cabinet.'"
Why the comparison? If KS has committed an individual breach then he should be investigated by the Police no matter what is happening to BJ.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Why the comparison? If KS has committed an individual breach then he should be investigated by the Police no matter what is happening to BJ.'"
It was and they found nothing wrong.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Why the comparison? If KS has committed an individual breach then he should be investigated by the Police no matter what is happening to BJ.'"
Do try and keep up WQ, I did say that if he has done wrong, he should be dealt with accordingly.
He and Boris would make great cell mates !
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Do try and keep up WQ, I did say that if he has done wrong, he should be dealt with accordingly.
He and Boris would make great cell mates !'"
This is a comparison even in your world........
[iA drink in a constituency office in not quite the same as the weekly parties at no 10, especially remembering the levels of restrictions that were in place at the time,[/i
It seems a little odd that a meeting with curry and booze for 30 people is any less serious than a rendition of happy birthday and the blowing out of candles with a few colleagues.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"It was and they found nothing wrong.'"
The Met said something similar but decided to change their view and undertook an investigation on Boris and Co. Don't think the door is closed on this. Now we know KS overlooked his 'eye candy' being present plus ? 28 others that he also forgot about.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"This is a comparison even in your world........
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It seems a little odd that a meeting with curry and booze for 30 people is any less serious than a rendition of happy birthday and the blowing out of candles with a few colleagues.'"
Was it a curry and booze u for 30 people ?
If so, deal with this in line with the rules at the time - no problem.
As for the cake and happy birthday as if this was the extent of the multiple gatherings at No 10
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| Quote ="wire-quin"This is a comparison even in your world........
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It seems a little odd that a meeting with curry and booze for 30 people is any less serious than a rendition of happy birthday and the blowing out of candles with a few colleagues.'"
Why are you ignoring the, "remembering the levels of restrictions that were in place at the time" bit? Is it because once you account for that this made-up story stops being a thing?
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| No alcohol allowed at my place of work. At all. In fact all employees agree to random drug and alcohol testing as part of their contract of employment. This can take place at any time if the company suspects you are under the influence, and random testing is carried out at least twice a year by an outside company. This was the case at both my current and previous place of employment. My last place of employment was in the textile industry for a smallish firm, I now work in the chemical industry for a global multi national and that policy is in place across all their places of business worldwide.
Drinking in the workplace just seems crazy to me, when they are supposed to be doing something so critical!
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| In the interests of balance I thought I'd mention that I met a junior Minister yesterday to tell them about some of the work my team has been doing throughout the pandemic and since. She was lovely, engaged, interested and relatable. However you may feel about the cabinet, beneath them are very many junior ministers who put in some real graft and genuinely care about their portfolio.
I think in these polarised days where we claim every Labour MP is a raging Commie and all Tories being fascists, we need to recognise there are a myriad of MPs who genuinely care across the political spectrum. They are not "all the same". Not remotely.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"In the interests of balance I thought I'd mention that I met a junior Minister yesterday to tell them about some of the work my team has been doing throughout the pandemic and since. She was lovely, engaged, interested and relatable. However you may feel about the cabinet, beneath them are very many junior ministers who put in some real graft and genuinely care about their portfolio.
I think in these polarised days where we claim every Labour MP is a raging Commie and all Tories being fascists, we need to recognise there are a myriad of MPs who genuinely care across the political spectrum. They are not "all the same". Not remotely.'"
Well unless you move to Ukraine you would stand little chance of seeing de Pfeffel in the North. He now considers delivering a book about the queen by hand was more important than levelling up. He even lied to his own Northern MP’s who were waiting for him to discuss this very situation. I suppose when you have nothing to say and three European leaders have dared to go to Ukraine it is vital you look to appear to be a world leader rather than a unethical leader of a troubled country.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Well unless you move to Ukraine you would stand little chance of seeing de Pfeffel in the North. He now considers delivering a book about the queen by hand was more important than levelling up. He even lied to his own Northern MP’s who were waiting for him to discuss this very situation. I suppose when you have nothing to say and three European leaders have dared to go to Ukraine it is vital you look to appear to be a world leader rather than a unethical leader of a troubled country.'"
He spent a few days last week in the north
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| Quote ="TheWarringtonWolve69"He spent a few days last week in the north'"
Bottled out of his visit to Wakefield.
Mind you, that will help the Tory candidate.
Also, what about him trying to employ his missus as a £100k "adviser" ??
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Bottled out of his visit to Wakefield.
Mind you, that will help the Tory candidate.
Also, what about him trying to employ his missus as a £100k "adviser" ??'"
He appears to have a liking for using tax payers money to pay for his lady friends, be it pole dancing or chief of staff. It is unfortunate that his press enablers buried the story.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"He appears to have a liking for using tax payers money to pay for his lady friends, be it pole dancing or chief of staff. It is unfortunate that his press enablers buried the story.'"
unfortunately they didn't bury it any where deep enough and its now suffering from the Streisand effect!
what's annoying is this constant drip drip drip of information - if they had got it all out there at once he'd be gone by now.
watch out for the next Starmer revelation where the media will be horrified that he got his mother-in-law a free packet of crisps and be calling for him to resign as a result.
another year of the nasty sleaze bucket living it up drinking champagne whilst half the country struggle to keep warm, sit in the dark to save money and live on beans on toast - makes my blood boil.
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| Looks like the Tories favourite newspaper owner of The Mail has been given a seat in the house of Lords ??
The same newspaper that described the Lords as "House of unelected wreckers", when it suited them.
Dirty and sleazy doesn't come close to describing this lot.
It's like feeding time at the farm of Tory sleaze, all filling their pockets with taxpayers money, whilst the nation pulls its collective belt ever tighter.
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| I hope in my small way to be part of reducing de Pfeffel’s majority by one.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I hope in my small way to be part of reducing de Pfeffel’s majority by one.'"
Flipping a seat technically reduces it by two I think so double the benefit
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