How droll. Are you attempting to construct a defence of terrorist actions based solely on geographical location? Crack on. This we must hear, although I suspect it will simply be the latest manifestation of Left Wing Feckwittery to be found in bucketfulls on here. The floor is yours.....

And in case you had forgotten. The Allied coalition was made up of 39 countries: Afghanistan, Argentina, Australia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belgium, Canada, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Egypt, France, Germany, Greece, Honduras, Hungary, Italy, Kuwait, Morocco, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Niger, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Singapore, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Syria, Turkey, the United Kingdom, the United Arab Emirates and the United States.

Conspicuous by their absence were those bastions of Civil Rights, and all round good guys, China, Russia, and North Korea. Perhaps the Comrades didn't fancy the weather at that time of year?

One isn't trying to defend any acts of terrorism I'm merely trying to give some balance to your obvious feelings of chagrin regarding Mandela's earlier life.
Your allied coalition signatarees may have some relevant substance but I stopped reading your wiki search after amusingly reading the first country aforementioned.

I don't think he's a big fan of the darkie/muzzie type so I'm in little doubt he'll be able to mentally justify it.

Interesting question to ask.

Oh dear. Some balance? I wouldn't be planning on a career in the Cicue du Soliel anytime soon! Is that it? Your well constructed and intelligent rebuttal? Seriously?

One of my New Years Resolutions was to ignore eejits, and folk from Hull. Now, I know that that was an easy option, as frequently they are one and the same, and perhaps you could confirm where you come from?

In the meantime, may I wish you a Merry Christmas

That'll be the 'Cirque du Soliel' you'll be meaning then my little racist friend?
You'd make a fine circus clown if you'd pardon the presumption.

Merry Christmas from East Yorkshire.

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Watching QT from SA does not fill me with hope for its future (although I am unclear as to how representative the panel and audience are of the population as a whole).

I did notice that he hasn't bothered to respond to that point.

Pesky schoolkids trying to defy their white masters.
They had it coming.

why would he need to , it was an irrelevant question

The BBC have ordered their crews to stay another week in the hope of catching Mandela's ascension

It was not an irrelevant question.

If you're going to condemn someone as a "terrorist" for fighting against a regime that shoots dead unarmed children, then you'd better have a clue as to how one would otherwise deal with a regime that is quite happy to shoot said unarmed schoolchildren – or be prepared to admit that you're the sort of individual who:

1) approves of the shooting of unarmed schoolchildren (as long as they're black, presumably);

2) doesn't think black children should have a rounded education because, after all, they're only going to be servants;

3) some combination of the above.

for as start it's wasn't your question I was referring to, it was the from Bobo, your pet chimp, inferring the other didn't like muslims /dark skinned people just because he didn't put the terrorist Mandela on a pedestal like the rest of you idiots have.

As for gerry adams being there, it takes a terrorist to know a terrorist. The ANC - The Black Provos. Maybe Winnie will lay him to rest by necklacing him.

Now, now. Calm down dearie.

And if you're going to comment on things, it helps to keep track of a conversation.

That you didn't is now clear to see, as you chose to respond to my comment that he had not responded to my point.



Did you get the custard cream I asked for?

Or would [iyou[/i prefer to answer with some sort of suggestion of how people should deal with a regime that shoots dead unarmed schoolchildren daring to call for a proper education?

Reading World of Redboy's comments along with his colleague AJW, it really proves the point that the educational system in this country is failing.
They really are ignorant about world politics, repeat dogma like verbal sewage and do not have a single original thought in their heads.
That is the saddest part.

Oh and one day AJW may answer a simple but pertinent question.

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I think that's a tad harsh; teachers, like radio, can't effectively transmit to someone who is not equipped to receive.

I know it's the pantomime season, but that sort of nonsense wouldn't last a week at the Alhambra. Perhaps you could be a bit more specific? Africa has a long history of gratuitous violence being visited on its citizens by whoever is the current dictator. Take your pick sweetheart, from the current ANC Police Unit which gunned down 44 unarmed black strikers in August 2012....kinda embarrassing from your point of view, eh? Revolutionary Black folks sending in their black police force to kill unarmed black miners simply trying to get a better wage and conditions....something Mandella and his buddies had promised them years ago, which is probably why it slipped your mind? And it was all of 16 months ago!

Howzabout Charles Taylor of Liberia?...Paul Biya of Cameroon?....Mugabe of Zimbabwea?.....Idi Amin of Uganda? Can you maybe work out the common denominator?

In the meantime, Good Luck on opening night. I hope you and Coddy have agreed who is the front and who is the rear this season.....

Oh great, another dipstick reincarnates themselves.

This should be fun, however brief

It'd help if he discarded his pointy hat mind.

Not too sure that a person who flogs tat out of the back of a van is really in any position to call someone a dipstick, so why not surprise us and maybe address some of the points raised?

Or will you be adopting your traditional response of waitng for La Mint to respond, before swinging in on her coat tails with the predictable and outmoded Socialist one liner.

If I was a betting man, I think a cheeky pound on the later would be a good investment!

If I was a betting woman, I'd suspect that someone who is so obviously not a new poster is a previously-banned poster who isn't going to last long in this new incarnation.

Why is that what the mods do to those who challenge their viewpoint?

He raises an interesting point - the inhumanity of tribal conflict in Africa - Rwanda being possibly the most graphic. Nothing meated out by the whites in SA compared to the genocide inflicted on the Tutsis by the Hutus - then I suppose it was all the fault of colonial forefathers!!

Perhaps raising this means I must be a member of the KKK!!

Perhaps a better comparison would be to compare the behaviour of Martin Luther King and Mandela faced with a similar situation.

It isn't. As you would know if you bothered to exercise your own brain.



Other genocides and examples of general, all-round nastiness do not excuse the Afrikaaners, although they look like an attempt to deflect.

Why not compare with China under Mao, the insanity of North Korea, dictatorships in Burma and so forth?

If one wants to brand a continent (and thereby, the peoples of a continent) what about South America, with all the dictatorships it has seen over the decades, and all the murders and the 'disappearances'? Do those suggest that those swarthy Latins are somehow inherently predisposed toward undemocratic, violent regimes?

One could ask the same about Europe – hardly a continent with a peaceful history or one with wars that have always been conducted as though by some sort of gentleman's agreement.



Only if you're paranoid.



I have made no comparisons: I have merely asked what those condemning Mandela as a terrorist would have done when faced with a regime that shot unarmed children who were demanding only a proper education. Nobody has answered yet – you're most welcome to try.

I am quite capable of exercising my brain - thankfully it doesn't need to be fully extended to debate with you.

You were the one who suggested that Mandela's actions were justified considering the conditions the blacks in South Africa were subjected too.

Reaction to isolated incidents can be dealt with in a number of ways. Can shooting innocent children be justified - never - it is how you react that confers status. Luther King's methods were less violent and far more effective than anything Mandela and the ANC extracted for random murder. Conditions/provocation in the deep southern states such as Alabama were equally as bad as in SA. People like Gov. Wallace were every bit as evil Vorster et al.

Mandela was a terrorist and that should not be ignored in all the hero worship. He eventually effected great change - the question remains is the country a better place for the struggle?