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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Starmer could be forgiven for being "off the pace" (although I dont agree with your analogy), after all, he's only leader of the opposition.
However, your man (Johnson) and his side kick Sunak have waited MONTHS to take meaningful action over the cost of living crisis, MONTHS and even now, their solution is but, as sticking plaster.
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To be fair, thats the tories to a Tee. Any crisis takes them months to respond.
If a tory says he is going to do something, he will do it. No need to remind them every 6 months
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| Two by-election in June, and the parliament standards investigation of Johnson coming up.
Legal action initiated by the good law group against the MET for an incomplete investigation of Johnson’s partying, and to be initiated against the government to have Sue Gray properly complete her investigation into parties she overlooked.
Labour and other parties are only repeating the demand of the voters that Johnson is not fit for office, has repeatedly lied, and must resign. End of.
Covid victims group got millions of votes just waiting the time
In our broken democracy it’s only Tory co conspirators can dump him.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Resignation (which is what Labour call for repeatedly) isn’t necessarily the only option although with KS and his two flanking ring walkers you would think it is
He said sorry, he isn’t going anywhere so just accept that.
Labour can now claim benefit for the Lib Dems and SNP windfall tax policy.'"
We can accept something as true and wish for better.
I accept he isn't going anywhere. I don't accept his apology because it is not sincere, and even if it was it'd be insufficient without an accompanying resignation.
He flouted the rules and oversaw an organisation that both created them and flagrantly and repeatedly broke them, during the biggest acute public health crisis of the modern era. Other people, better people (low bar, admittedly) resigned for less and that was seen as appropriate. Big Dog though, he's still sitting there in his own metaphorical excrement, stinking out the nation out. I accept it is true, but it'd be weird to like it, yeah?
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"We can accept something as true and wish for better.
I accept he isn't going anywhere. I don't accept his apology because it is not sincere, and even if it was it'd be insufficient without an accompanying resignation.
He flouted the rules and oversaw an organisation that both created them and flagrantly and repeatedly broke them, during the biggest acute public health crisis of the modern era. Other people, better people (low bar, admittedly) resigned for less and that was seen as appropriate. Big Dog though, he's still sitting there in his own metaphorical excrement, stinking out the nation out. I accept it is true, but it'd be weird to like it, yeah?'"
How out of curiosity have you reached a position whereby you don’t believe his apology is sincere? You really have no balance do you?
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| Quote ="wire-quin"How out of curiosity have you reached a position whereby you don’t believe his apology is sincere?'"
His consistent record as a liar and the way it was delivered. Also reports of him downplaying and dismissing the importance of it all in private and to the 1922 committee. And the Beer Korma gag that made Raab wince (not sure if that was the inappropriateness of it, or the fact that it [ialmost[/i works but Korma doesn't quite rhyme with Starmer... if only they'd ordered kebabs, he could have used Shwarma)
Do you believe his apology is sincere, and his 'humbling' has in any way changed him?
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I have you. You are the last and therefore precious to me, my Johnsonian friend.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"How out of curiosity have you reached a position whereby you don’t believe his apology is sincere? You really have no balance do you?'"
A sincere apology is off one’s back. Not when you get caught red handed and are forced to make an apology
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| He has shown to be an unfit Prime minister and should be removed if he doesn't have the decency to resign.
A key matter is these people were supposedly running a crisis response to save lives, and they were getting drunk and not being safe when they all could have caught Covid and ended up in the hospital instead of fulfilling their actual jobs!
They can put their own safety at risk if they want but not the lives of others, and the leader of the team, the man who shakes hands with hospital patients and nearly died from it, was too stupid and/or arrogant to learn anything from that experience.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Resignation (which is what Labour call for repeatedly) isn’t necessarily the only option although with KS and his two flanking ring walkers you would think it is
He said sorry, he isn’t going anywhere so just accept that.
Labour can now claim benefit for the Lib Dems and SNP windfall tax policy.'"
Tbf, in terms of fines for breach of lockdown rules, Bojo, seems to have got off very lightly.
For reasons best known to themselves, The Met didin't bother to investigate some of the gatherings, most notably the "Abba party" held in his own flat, at a time when such things were against HIS rules.
We then come back to just how has he "taken responsibility". He may have nodded his head and looked contrite in Parliament but, he most certainly hasn't taken responsibility.
If he had, then most certainly, he would have resigned and it does seem that a number his junior staff and Ministers, have taken responsibility when they have been "found out" but, not the PM.
Hopefully, this baggage will be carried with him all the way to the next election. He could prove to be Labour's best electoral asset, which would be supremely ironic.
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| Boris will be Labours major electoral asset as KS will really struggle to hit it off with the public particularly in the televised head to heads.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"Boris will be Labours major electoral asset as KS will really struggle to hit it off with the public particularly in the televised head to heads.'"
Johnson's bluster and BS might still convince his personality cult devotees but most grown up people will view things differently. Being leader of the country is a serious job for a serious person, not a lying clown.
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| So the next one up for continuing the cover up is the Parliament Standards Committee
With a Tory majority of 4-2 on the committee it shouldn’t be to difficult to conclude Lyin Boris didn’t mislead Parliament with all his Parties lies
See if the new hospital for Warrington South suddenly gets approved, etc etc
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| He is now having the ministerial code rewritten to remove all those standards he knows he cannot obtain like to break the code is a resignation matter. His plan will be that instead they guilty party can apologise or have some of their salary stopped. I would ask WQ if he is an innocent man why change the code.
We have a televised debate every Wednesday and the general consensus is that de Pfeffel does not do very well and resorts to insults and lies. I wonder if any TV debate before the election will be held in a fridge to make de Pfeffel feel at home. I don’t know where the impression that de Pfeffel is a great debater because this has been disproved since becoming PM.
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| johnson is no world beater, but the alterative is unthinkable. sleezy Starmer and his left wing mob is unelectable and everyone knows that
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| Quote ="hull2524"johnson is no world beater, but the alterative is unthinkable. sleezy Starmer and his left wing mob is unelectable and everyone knows that'"
Oh, lovely… reinforcements!
Why do you regard Starmer as being sleazy? Why do believe he is unelectable?
There are other more immediate alternatives, within the parliamentary Conservative Party. Would you not have preferred one of them… or are you pleased that they have nailed their colours so firmly to the Johnsonian mast?
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| I see the Ministerial Code has been re-written, so that Ministers who break it will no longer be expected to resign. They can just apologise and maybe have their pay docked. Johnson has re-written the foreword removing references to outdated principles such as ‘honesty’, ‘integrity’, ‘transparency’ and ‘accountability’.
I’ve never really seen the point of a written constitution, because it could always just be thrown on a bonfire… but as it turns out it might have been useful in a fuel crisis.
Strange way to go into Jubilee week, innit?
In all seriousness, it’s a bit scary now. He’s dangerous and it is all getting very, very Trumpian. Feck.
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| Quote ="hull2524"johnson is no world beater, but the alterative is unthinkable. sleezy Starmer and his left wing mob is unelectable and everyone knows that'"
Oh you're a real treasure.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"I see the Ministerial Code has been re-written, so that Ministers who break it will no longer be expected to resign. They can just apologise and maybe have their pay docked. Johnson has re-written the foreword removing references to outdated principles such as ‘honesty’, ‘integrity’, ‘transparency’ and ‘accountability’.
I’ve never really seen the point of a written constitution, because it could always just be thrown on a bonfire… but as it turns out it might have been might been useful in a fuel crisis.
Strange way to go into Jubilee week, innit?
In all seriousness, it’s a bit scary now. He’s dangerous and it is all getting very, very Trumpian. Feck.'"
The problem is that the more he believes his invincibility the worse he is getting. He believes the rules do not apply to him and any that may hold him to account he changes. This action is helped by having one of the most inept cabinets and MP’s who believe he is still a winner despite recent results.
I find it amazing and also very insightful that one of the reasons he is considered safe is because there is no obvious successor.
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| Quote ="hull2524"johnson is no world beater, but the alterative is unthinkable. sleezy Starmer and his left wing mob is unelectable and everyone knows that'"
Apologies, I know you've already given a really intellectually insightful assessment of the situation with detailed evidence. But could you just expand a little more and explain or give examples of your evidence for this
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"The problem is that the more he believes his invincibility the worse he is getting. He believes the rules do not apply to him and any that may hold him to account he changes. This action is helped by having one of the most inept cabinets and MP’s who believe he is still a winner despite recent results.
I find it amazing and also very insightful that one of the reasons he is considered safe is because there is no obvious successor.'"
He’s clearly emboldened rather than humbled. The lesson he seems to have learned is that he can get away with it and the Parliamentary Conservative Party will let anything slide.
He is further confirmed in his long-standing belief that it is churlish of other people not regard him as an exception, as one who should be free of the network of obligations, which binds everybody else.
His sycophants and enablers should be ashamed. He is neither inevitable or enviable. Unrestrained, he is dangerous.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"I see the Ministerial Code has been re-written, so that Ministers who break it will no longer be expected to resign. They can just apologise and maybe have their pay docked. Johnson has re-written the foreword removing references to outdated principles such as ‘honesty’, ‘integrity’, ‘transparency’ and ‘accountability’.
I’ve never really seen the point of a written constitution, because it could always just be thrown on a bonfire… but as it turns out it might have been useful in a fuel crisis.
Strange way to go into Jubilee week, innit?
In all seriousness, it’s a bit scary now. He’s dangerous and it is all getting very, very Trumpian. Feck.'"
Day by day, he's tweaking the rules to protect himself and any of his mates that step out of line.
Ultimately, Labour need to get their act together and show that they ARE a credible party for government.
The whole cost of living crisis has some way to run and with raging inflation, rising interest rates and very likely meagre public sector pay settlements coming (apart from the MP's of course), pressure will certainly build significantly as we approach the next election.
However, Johnson and his "team" are certainly making it more difficult for him to be ousted.
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| Quote ="hull2524"johnson is no world beater, but the alterative is unthinkable. sleezy Starmer and his left wing mob is unelectable and everyone knows that'"
Posting that with a clown avatar. Fantastic.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"He’s clearly emboldened rather than humbled. The lesson he seems to have learned is that he can get away with it and the Parliamentary Conservative Party will let anything slide.
He is further confirmed in his long-standing belief that it is churlish of other people not regard him as an exception, as one who should be free of the network of obligations, which binds everybody else.
His sycophants and enablers should be ashamed. He is neither inevitable or enviable. Unrestrained, he is dangerous.'"
I live in the Wakefield constituency and having received my Conservative paper it’s clear they believe that reliving the Brexit election strategy will work again. It contained the usual “securing the borders” etc and even felt the need to point out that the Labour candidate wanted to remain. I think the people of Wakefield have moved on and there are far more problems than the mess that is Brexit. It did at least have a picture of de Pfeffel but not much else about him.
I read that Mrs de Pfeffel is very much like her husband in their belief of superiority and that the law does not need to be followed. It could be said that Mrs de Pfeffel likes a party just as much as her husband especially during lockdown.
I am not sure I would want him removed because clearly he is an asset to a Labour victory but he is dangerous and the damage he could do to democracy in this country in two years is frightening.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I live in the Wakefield constituency and having received my Conservative paper it’s clear they believe that reliving the Brexit election strategy will work again. It contained the usual “securing the borders” etc and even felt the need to point out that the Labour candidate wanted to remain. I think the people of Wakefield have moved on and there are far more problems than the mess that is Brexit. It did at least have a picture of de Pfeffel but not much else about him.
I read that Mrs de Pfeffel is very much like her husband in their belief of superiority and that the law does not need to be followed. It could be said that Mrs de Pfeffel likes a party just as much as her husband especially during lockdown.
I am not sure I would want him removed because clearly he is an asset to a Labour victory but he is dangerous and the damage he could do to democracy in this country in two years is frightening.'"
With the Tory’s get your vote?
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| Quote ="wire-quin"With the Tory’s get your vote?'"
Could all get interesting in the next couple of weeks.
Apparently, 40 Tory MP's have now submitted their letters to Graham Brady.
54 is the magic number.
Maybe the arrogant lying PM is about to be ousted.
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