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| Quote ="Chris28"The NHS wouldn't/couldn't apply though could it? They won't be a part of the nation.
The questions are massively unanswered, and the more I look at this, the more I think this is Salmond's personal crusade that will leave Scotland worse off.'"
I agree, even their ability to run air traffic control would be hugely compromised, what about the RNLI??
Idealism is great, reality bites.
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| Oh well, you may all just have to leave it to the Scots seeing as their intellecual/educational abilities have been proven consistently superior to their counterparts south of the border.
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| Quote ="WIZEB"Oh well, you may all just have to leave it to the Scots seeing as their intellecual/educational abilities have been proven consistently superior to their counterparts south of the border.'"
not to mention their footballing ability, and reliability to get a tan!
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| Quote ="Standee"not to mention their footballing ability, and reliability to get a tan!'"
To be fair mate Scotland are shoite and we know we are (a slight resurgence of late mind).
The English are also turd and just beginning to get that fact after many years of delusion.
I was born in East Angus but my tan is superior to most of my adopted East Yorksherians ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="WIZEB"To be fair mate Scotland are shoite and we know we are (a slight resurgence of late mind).
The English are also turd and just beginning to get that fact after many years of delusion.
I was born in East Angus but my tan is superior to most of my adopted East Yorksherians
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you've probably had more practice with your background!
I am confident they will, in the end, vote No, sense will prevail!
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| Quote ="Standee"you've probably had more practice with your background!
I am confident they will, in the end, vote No, sense will prevail!'"
I'd probably register a no vote if still residing in my country of birth but still have sympathy for my compatriots not wanting to be governed by a set of Bullingdon bellends.
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| Quote ="WIZEB"I'd probably register a no vote if still residing in my country of birth but still have sympathy for my compatriots not wanting to be governed by a set of Bullingdon bellends.'"
that is down to your personal politics, I don't want to have idiots like Brown and Darling anywhere near my country, but I don't have that choice.
Personally, I think they all need binning, not one of them is honest, personal agendas outweigh the good of the people.
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| Quote ="Standee"that is down to your personal politics, I don't want to have idiots like Brown and Darling anywhere near my country, but I don't have that choice.
Personally, I think they all need binning, not one of them is honest, personal agendas outweigh the good of the people.'"
Brown obviosly wasn't Prime Ministerial material but intellectually he's from a different stratosphere than Biil & Ben currently residing at No's 10 and 11.
And why, out of interest, are you so favourable in protecting the union when those north of the border are so, politically at least, disenfranchised from what you believe in?
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| Quote ="WIZEB"Brown obviosly wasn't Prime Ministerial material but intellectually he's from a different stratosphere than Biil & Ben currently residing at No's 10 and 11.
And why, out of interest, are you so favourable in protecting the union when those north of the border are so, politically at least, disenfranchised from what you believe in?'"
because the Union works, the noisy minority in Scotland are in favour of independence, what about those that live in Shetland and would rather join Scandinavia?
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| Quote ="LeagueDweeb"Set up their own central bank & print it's own money. Simply peg it to the English £ for cross border trade, vary it as they choose for foreign exchange.
Join the euro & take advantage of the ECB.
Plenty of options avaialble.'"
All of them crap for either or both countries.
A currency union between Scotland and rUK would be like a euro zone comprising solely of Germany and Greece. Try selling that to the Germans
If Scotland pegs it's currency to the pound without a formal currency union it wouldn't be able to run a budget deficit of more than a couple of groats
A sterling currency union will not happen, the pound would collapse at the mention of the idea. Scotland's best option would be to join the euro, IF that could be achieved
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| Quote ="Standee" what about those that live in Shetland and would rather join Scandinavia?'"
Held og lykke.
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| I just can't see how it could work if a yes vote won. How many Scots would lose their jobs in the rest of the uk as they are not from an EU member country? Sharing a currency? Go it alone or don't bother, you can't pick and choose what bits you like. Saying that, if I was a scot and given this once in a lifetime opportunity to go it alone, I'd probably vote Yes
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| Quote ="Mable_Syrup"I just can't see how it could work if a yes vote won. How many Scots would lose their jobs in the rest of the uk as they are not from an EU member country? Sharing a currency? Go it alone or don't bother, you can't pick and choose what bits you like. Saying that, if I was a scot and given this once in a lifetime opportunity to go it alone, I'd probably vote Yes'"
They will bank on the rest of the UK being soft (which is what will happen)on them.
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| Quote ="Mable_Syrup"How many Scots would lose their jobs in the rest of the uk as they are not from an EU member country? '"
None. They were born in the UK and have UK passports. They currently reside in the UK so they'll surely be allowed to stay as UK citizens.
But no doubt some English politicians will be running with this as a scare technique as well.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"None. They were born in the UK and have UK passports. They currently reside in the UK so they'll surely be allowed to stay as UK citizens.
But no doubt some English politicians will be running with this as a scare technique as well.'"
Does independence mean independence or not? If they want to be independent of the UK, they should be, not some convenient halfway house.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"None. They were born in the UK and have UK passports. They currently reside in the UK so they'll surely be allowed to stay as UK citizens.
But no doubt some English politicians will be running with this as a scare technique as well.'"
since when was "UK" a nationality?
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"None. They were born in the UK and have UK passports. They currently reside in the UK so they'll surely be allowed to stay as UK citizens.
But no doubt some English politicians will be running with this as a scare technique as well.'"
I don't think you're following this. The UK is England, NI, Wales and currently Scotland. The whole point of the Yes vote would be to LEAVE the UK and become an independent country. Thus the UK would be reduced to England, NI and Wales. It is not "scaremongering" but simple and basic fact that if Scotland leaves the UK then its citizens will no longer be UK citizens.
It would be up to the residual UK (assuming that title is kept) or whatever we call the remainder, to decide whether to accept dual citizenship for all Scots who want it, and that has not yet been decided.
Maybe they should ask the Queen, who will still be Queen north of the border even of an independent Scotland.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"I don't think you're following this. The UK is England, NI, Wales and currently Scotland. The whole point of the Yes vote would be to LEAVE the UK and become an independent country. Thus the UK would be reduced to England, NI and Wales. It is not "scaremongering" but simple and basic fact that if Scotland leaves the UK then its citizens will no longer be UK citizens.
It would be up to the residual UK (assuming that title is kept) or whatever we call the remainder, to decide whether to accept dual citizenship for all Scots who want it, and that has not yet been decided.
Maybe they should ask the Queen, who will still be Queen north of the border even of an independent Scotland.'"
The vote, which Cameron agreed to allow place, was only given to the current residents of Scotland.
So English people resident in Scotland are allowed to vote on independence, but Scottish people living in England won't be.
The "cut off your nose to spite your face" decision would be to say that Scots born English residents are no longer UK residents or EU members so they're not allowed to live or work in the UK (or EU).
But that decision will be sheer lunacy from Cameron seeing as the Scottish born residents of England were given absolutely no say in the vote.
Asking the Queen. So now you're a royalist? One of the earliest decisions an independent Scotland should make is becoming a republic and rejecting the BS of having a royal family.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"The vote, which Cameron agreed to allow place, was only given to the current residents of Scotland.
So English people resident in Scotland are allowed to vote on independence, but Scottish people living in England won't be.
The "cut off your nose to spite your face" decision would be to say that Scots born English residents are no longer UK residents or EU members so they're not allowed to live or work in the UK (or EU).
But that decision will be sheer lunacy from Cameron seeing as the Scottish born residents of England were given absolutely no say in the vote.
Asking the Queen. So now you're a royalist? One of the earliest decisions an independent Scotland should make is becoming a republic and rejecting the BS of having a royal family.'"
They'll keep the queen, but become a republic when it's Charlie's turn.
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| Quote ="Cibaman"They'll keep the queen, but become a republic when it's [uCharlie's[/u turn.'"
If he hadn't turned back at Derby, then caught a boat over the sea to Skye, things could have been oh so different. ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| Quote ="Cibaman"They'll keep the queen, but become a republic when it's Charlie's turn.'"
They'll keep the Queen until she asks them for money.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"They'll keep the Queen until she asks them for money.'"
I wonder if they could actually turn a profit on her and her Scottish estates, would be an interesting proposition when the Scottish Parliament take over the likes of Balmoral (how many properties does she "own" oop north ?), they could lease it to her for a peppercorn rent on a timeshare basis for, say, six weeks a year and then rent it out as a holiday home via a Scottish holiday web site like Unique Cottages, have a look, I can just see Balmoral in their, "Sleeps 200, not close to pub or supermarket though, lovely views"
Prince Charles got involved with the purchase and renovation and marketing at Dumfries House and while the recession almost caused him to declare bankruptcy due to his personal guarantees I believe that its operating as a commercial venture now ... [urlhttp://www.architecturaldigest.com/decor/2012-02/prince-charles-dumfries-house-scotland-article[/url
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| Quote ="rumpelstiltskin"Bless. if that was the way to ease your financial problems, we could all do it. The Bank of Rumples has a nice ring to it.....a spot of nightshift on the old printer, and I'll be a millionaire come morning!
and, eerm, you might want to look into the criteria you have to meet before you can apply to join the Euro. Both Spain and Greece met it, and look how that turned out for their economies.'"
So it was the euro that made economies crash? Or perhaps like those who have the $ & £ is was policies & not currency itself.
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| Quote ="Cibaman"All of them crap for either or both countries.
A currency union between Scotland and rUK would be like a euro zone comprising solely of Germany and Greece. Try selling that to the Germans
If Scotland pegs it's currency to the pound without a formal currency union it wouldn't be able to run a budget deficit of more than a couple of groats
A sterling currency union will not happen, the pound would collapse at the mention of the idea. Scotland's best option would be to join the euro, IF that could be achieved'"
You are comparing England to Germany? The Scots could run a budget deficit at least as high as whatever their proportion of the national debt currently is, formal union or not.
As long as they can finance it, they can run a budget deficit as large as they like.
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| Quote ="LeagueDweeb"
As long as they can finance it, they can run a budget deficit as large as they like.'"
And their credit history is what exactly?
Or do they expect ther BoE to stand guarantor?
Salmond has already stated that unless they can keep the £ Scotland will simply walk away from its share of the national debt. That's a great way to start out, defaulting on a debt of £Bns
I doubt even Northern Rock would be willing to lend to them.
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