Record funding of the NHS, schools etc.

Surely if some of us are prepared to pay extra to take the pressure of the NHS via private health surely that is a good thing as is private education.

I was replying to "exiled down south" who stated that the Tories plans for the GE were laid out and costed in the Autumn Statement and neither of those comments are true.

Their manifesto is not the same as the Autumn statement.
Mind you, at that point, we weren't going to have a GE until 2020.

Not one leader of any of the parties are worthy of the title Leader IMO. We get unified and together trotted out at random and they, together with the hyena pack of reporters and so called journalists, are feeding the divide. Soft sod politicians are IMO not worth one of the poor souls killed lately. Self-serving bunch of lightweights who display nothing whatsoever for the young to look up to and certainly not as role models.

Its been a dreadful, unedifying few weeks and not one that can heal any rifts in society at all.

What alternatives are Labour offering?

Why must you keep chanting the Tory mantra?

If the Government spent a quid more in 2017 than in 2016 it's record funding.




All well & good in your utopian world, but in real terms both the N.H.S. & state schools are cash-strapped, & in a couple of days it'll be more of the same.

I suggest you read their manifesto.

Listen, I personally couldn't give two hoots anymore, the public gets what the public wants & all that, but your nihilistic vision of a Labour Government is straight from the Tory tabloids.

It's not that long ago, to me anyway, that they (the Tories) were warning of an impending catastrophe when New Labour said they would bring in the minimum wage.

All this lampooning of people who vote Labour because their long dead relatives did, well, they did it for a reason, the same reason as today - because they are their only hope.

Churchill, Thatcher, Cameron & now that H.B.B they all screw you in the end.

Unless the tories achieve a landslide which is unlikely ,then may is a busted flush. The Tory campaign has been lack lustre, may personally has been weak. So the political chancer Boris Johnson will be licking his lips, he may get the crown after all.
Meanwhile jezza has promised everybody lots of free stuff, he also has promised that 95% of the population will not pay any more tax. The IFS has said that's not the case ,we will all have to pay extra tax. Still not to worry socialism works fine, just look at Cuba and Venezuela.
Meanwhile in Scotland wee Nicola is as usual ranting on about keeping the tories out of office. No mention of what she could do for the Scottish voters ,who have seen educational standards fall year on year. Still so long as the barnet formula exists, we can keep the socialists north of the border in the manner in which they are accustomed.
I have no faith whatsoever in any of the main parties this whole election has been an unnecessary farce.
Ps
Could someone please let Diane Abbott out of that cupboard .

Nobody wants to engage in the debate as to what we want from our NHS - we spend 80bn yes 80bn and yet we don't want to have the discussion. All Labour want to do is throw money at it - its bonkers.

Its not utopia is real - I educated my kids privately but still paid into the pot to educate others, I pay for private health care so where ever possible I avoid clogging up the NHS so more needy people get the service first.

As a leftie what are you doing to help you fellow man?

The view of the Labour under Corbyn is the view of Callaghan's last government - IMF bail out, record strike days, unable to get rubbish collected and bury the dead. That's the reality. Add to that close links to terrorists and an inability to press the button and you wonder why people struggle with hard core left wing policies.

He may win and he will spend all this money but all that will happen is what happened under Blair the vast majority of the monies will simple go on increasing wages within the public sector and servicing the increased borrowing.

Today's Daily Mail Bingo winner

World financial crisis caused by unregulated capitalist greed.
May sucking up to Saudi - the biggest state sponsor of terrorism in the world today and Wahhabism remains the source of most radical Islamic extremism.
The biggest financial winners under Blair, apart from the disadvantaged that were helped, were the private sector.
And thank you for your selfless sacrifices in privately educating your kids & for paying for private health care. I am equally grateful that the tax I paid into the NHS that my family hardly ever use helped to pay for your successful mental health treatment.

But it must be true - because he invoked the earth-shattering "That's the reality" gambit, which trumps all facts and alternative views.

Spot on. Corbyn sums simply don't add up but people have been seduced by promises of free stuff and huge money spends and you just get his followers telling you you're lying or finding a newspaper article that says your wrong. Of course the articles criticising Corbyn are false but the ones against the Conservatives are 100% truth in their heads.

I've voted for Labour before in the past and I imagine I will do again some point in the future and it's not so much that I want to vote Conservative because I don't like a number of things they do. But Corbyn as PM would absolutely ruin this country. Whilst not an attractive proposition I'd rather have a bad PM than and absolutely atrocious PM in Corbyn.

It's not promises of free stuff. Its literally reversals of tax breaks given out the last 7 years to business and the rich and the savings being distributed to those on middle/lower incomes.

I work at the sharp end of where tory cuts fall and it's absolutely disgusting the effects it has on people. it's actually creating poverty which is a complete waste of potential and resources. Single under 25's who become unemployed are under such tremendous financial pressure that trying to keep a little bit stable takes up time that could be devoted to seeking employment.

No extra money to buy a shirt for an interview, no money to travel to interviews or bigger cities to look for work. Life on benefits shouldn't be comfortable, but neither should it be a living hell either. Disabled people, including ex servicemen are losing £30 a week and having their motability cars seized. Food bank use is through the roof, local provisions for them have been all but removed.

As I said I don't like a number of things the Conservatives do and in an ideal world Labour would have a much better leader. The problem is Corbyn would do much more long term damage to the country, some just can't/won't see it.

I'm not sure about that. Give me some examples of where he would do long term damage.

The difficulties will arise when they (Labour) cant raise the funds to cover some of their eye watering election promises.
They have made some of the heftiest spending commitments ever and their plan to tax businesses and the better off simply wont work in the long term.
All businesses from the very small to the large multi nationals will change some of their "habits" to keep their businesses more "tax" efficient and that is before the joy's of Brexit.

Wow.

So you pretend that paying privately for your health and the education of your children is to do the rest of us a favour



You use private education and private health because you perceive these services to be better than their state equivalents.

Unless you are marking yourself down with some of the famous philanthropists of our time, who genuinely did great things for others, you are looking after #1 and I dont blame you for doing that but. please dont pretend that you are doing these things for the benefit of the rest of us, it's degrading and you are treating others with contempt

Well I'm not sure that is really "long term damage".

E.g. Labour's promised increase in NHS spending may not be easily paid for but I suspect the money they would raise would still eclipse what the Conservatives say they would put it in. There's a £14bn difference in the manifestos.

As with all things tax it's a constantly changing picture. Payment habits may well change but so will collecting habits. I suspect there may be more of an appetite to collect under a Labour government.

The problem that the government (Labour or Conservative) has with regard to collecting taxes is 2 fold.
No 1, the larger companies have better accountants than HMRC have collectors and then there is International trade, which is hugely complicated and deciding which country's are entitled to collect tax revenues is just the firs hurdle and as I say, the ways of moving tax liabilities make collection nigh on impossible, which is why google and amazon etc get away with paying very, very small amount of tax on huge revenues.

A printer & an economist. Wow, impressive.

This is much touted - but I've provided a link earlier in the thread that shows that Labour's proposed CT rate is lower than the 2010 rate, and would still be amongst the lowest in the G20. So if all of these mega-corps whom we are so beholden to would up-sticks and move abroad, why haven't they done so before now? I would suggest that it's because there are significant additional advantages to being based in the UK - not least our (previously)unfettered access to the European market.

And with regard to avoidance - it's rife now and has been for years; I would suggest that a Labour government would have a significantly greater appetite to collect robustly, given that Corybn and co aren't married to and very much in bed with the establishment figures who own, operate and benefit from their shady dealings.

The Labour Party is champion of double standards with private education. Mainly through the post code lottery ,whereby any decent school in a reasonable area ,the house prices rocket. So people with money push the lower end of the working class out.
I won't even mention certain labour members who educate children privately. Whilst at the same time disowning the private education system.
If certain schools were up to a decent standard ,the people who sent children to private schools would be able to send them to state schools. Thus saving themselves a pile of money. Obviously and as stated before people who use the private schools system and private hospitals are paying twice.

What you have put has nothing to do with what he was replying to. He was berating the previous poster for making it sound like he was doing the poor a favour by privately educating his children. Your only reason for posting what you did must have been for mud slinging.

Not mudslinging, it's called opinions his opinion is no better than mine and mine is no better than his. By and large we live in a free country, unlike some countries. Also it's a bit of fun.