Why would we delay the election??

The Torys plans were costed in the Autumn statement or have you forgotten that occurred. They aren't going to take another path. There stall is set, clear and transparent.

Much as I dont like the guy, IF Corbyn gets anywhere close in this election, he will stay in charge.
Despite his lack of popularity in the media, the political campaign run by Labour, from 20 points back in the polls has been excellent and because of this Corbyn will stay.
He could well say tht, if you had backed him all along, Labour would have won the election and this may be true. Although, if the Tories hadn't taken the electorate for granted, trying to be everything to everybody, they should have cleane up, with a substantially increased majority.

Regarding Brexit (and I know there is a separate thread), everything is still looking like the UK will be squeezed by the other EU members and far from the "free access", which was spouted by the leave campaign, it seems clear that we will have to either pay a substantial figure or, possibly be left on WTO terms.
Despite all of May's tough talk, its becoming blatantly obvious that she is out of her depth both at home and on the international stage and even if the Tories regain power, I dont see her lasting too long at the helm. Again, rather ironic when you consider her excuse for calling an election.

Nothing Ironic about it, this is just your negative look forward based on negative thinking. There is nothing balanced about that post.

The Labour campaign is easy let's just give everyone everything its a question of credibility - its easy to make promises you know you will never have to deliver - the Lib Dems did it for years.

I completely agree the last paragraph - Gove has a lot to answer for - Boris would have won and he is on a different planet to May and he would have been more than a match for Corbyn.

Brexit has a long way to run and I doubt we will end up with WTO trading terms but I also doubt we will pay a huge bill just to sit at the table. The EU needs our money and that is our strongest bargaining tool. However I do wonder if May has lost her bottle for the fight.

Does it, it's no doubt useful, but I honestly have no idea who will suffer the most. From what I have read;
The £230 billion exports of goods and services to other EU countries were worth about 12% of the value of the British economy in 2015. It’s been at around 13-15% over the past decade.
Exports from the rest of the EU to the UK were worth about 3-4% of the size of the remaining EU’s economy in 2015.

If Corby gets into Downing Street then we're the creak, no paddle, no canoe, no maps and a deluge of biblical proportions to wash us down stream.

Over 12 months on from the referendum, not one politician has been able to tell us that we will be any better off, in fact the opposite is true.
Yes, we will regain control of our borders and have the final say on our law making and if that's enough for you then great, crack on, really.

It is not negative to say that our trade with the EU is less certain than before the referendum, it's plain fact. But, if that makes you feel better, great.

That is just utter nonsense.
Where was the "dementia tax" in the Autumn statement.
Where was the mention of increased policing in the Autumn statement
Where were the reductions to pensioners benefits in the Autumn statement.

Come on, have some sense and dont talk such utter crap.

As opposed to no agreement with the E.U, no money for state schools, continued privatisation of the N.H.S. further wage freezers for low earners, & on & on.

Enjoy the next five (years) & prey that none of the above affect you.

Did the Tories say they were increasing counter intelligence by 1900?

The UK is Germany's biggest trading partner so I doubt that will be overlooked in negotiations. There doesn't seem a rush to fill the funding gap left by the UK leaving the EU.

There is a 60bn gap between what we import compared to what we export so that will need sorting 290bn is a big customer to lose?

Record funding of the NHS, schools etc.

Surely if some of us are prepared to pay extra to take the pressure of the NHS via private health surely that is a good thing as is private education.

I was replying to "exiled down south" who stated that the Tories plans for the GE were laid out and costed in the Autumn Statement and neither of those comments are true.

Their manifesto is not the same as the Autumn statement.
Mind you, at that point, we weren't going to have a GE until 2020.

Not one leader of any of the parties are worthy of the title Leader IMO. We get unified and together trotted out at random and they, together with the hyena pack of reporters and so called journalists, are feeding the divide. Soft sod politicians are IMO not worth one of the poor souls killed lately. Self-serving bunch of lightweights who display nothing whatsoever for the young to look up to and certainly not as role models.

Its been a dreadful, unedifying few weeks and not one that can heal any rifts in society at all.

What alternatives are Labour offering?

Why must you keep chanting the Tory mantra?

If the Government spent a quid more in 2017 than in 2016 it's record funding.




All well & good in your utopian world, but in real terms both the N.H.S. & state schools are cash-strapped, & in a couple of days it'll be more of the same.

I suggest you read their manifesto.

Listen, I personally couldn't give two hoots anymore, the public gets what the public wants & all that, but your nihilistic vision of a Labour Government is straight from the Tory tabloids.

It's not that long ago, to me anyway, that they (the Tories) were warning of an impending catastrophe when New Labour said they would bring in the minimum wage.

All this lampooning of people who vote Labour because their long dead relatives did, well, they did it for a reason, the same reason as today - because they are their only hope.

Churchill, Thatcher, Cameron & now that H.B.B they all screw you in the end.

Unless the tories achieve a landslide which is unlikely ,then may is a busted flush. The Tory campaign has been lack lustre, may personally has been weak. So the political chancer Boris Johnson will be licking his lips, he may get the crown after all.
Meanwhile jezza has promised everybody lots of free stuff, he also has promised that 95% of the population will not pay any more tax. The IFS has said that's not the case ,we will all have to pay extra tax. Still not to worry socialism works fine, just look at Cuba and Venezuela.
Meanwhile in Scotland wee Nicola is as usual ranting on about keeping the tories out of office. No mention of what she could do for the Scottish voters ,who have seen educational standards fall year on year. Still so long as the barnet formula exists, we can keep the socialists north of the border in the manner in which they are accustomed.
I have no faith whatsoever in any of the main parties this whole election has been an unnecessary farce.
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Could someone please let Diane Abbott out of that cupboard .

Nobody wants to engage in the debate as to what we want from our NHS - we spend 80bn yes 80bn and yet we don't want to have the discussion. All Labour want to do is throw money at it - its bonkers.

Its not utopia is real - I educated my kids privately but still paid into the pot to educate others, I pay for private health care so where ever possible I avoid clogging up the NHS so more needy people get the service first.

As a leftie what are you doing to help you fellow man?

The view of the Labour under Corbyn is the view of Callaghan's last government - IMF bail out, record strike days, unable to get rubbish collected and bury the dead. That's the reality. Add to that close links to terrorists and an inability to press the button and you wonder why people struggle with hard core left wing policies.

He may win and he will spend all this money but all that will happen is what happened under Blair the vast majority of the monies will simple go on increasing wages within the public sector and servicing the increased borrowing.

Today's Daily Mail Bingo winner

World financial crisis caused by unregulated capitalist greed.
May sucking up to Saudi - the biggest state sponsor of terrorism in the world today and Wahhabism remains the source of most radical Islamic extremism.
The biggest financial winners under Blair, apart from the disadvantaged that were helped, were the private sector.
And thank you for your selfless sacrifices in privately educating your kids & for paying for private health care. I am equally grateful that the tax I paid into the NHS that my family hardly ever use helped to pay for your successful mental health treatment.

But it must be true - because he invoked the earth-shattering "That's the reality" gambit, which trumps all facts and alternative views.

Spot on. Corbyn sums simply don't add up but people have been seduced by promises of free stuff and huge money spends and you just get his followers telling you you're lying or finding a newspaper article that says your wrong. Of course the articles criticising Corbyn are false but the ones against the Conservatives are 100% truth in their heads.

I've voted for Labour before in the past and I imagine I will do again some point in the future and it's not so much that I want to vote Conservative because I don't like a number of things they do. But Corbyn as PM would absolutely ruin this country. Whilst not an attractive proposition I'd rather have a bad PM than and absolutely atrocious PM in Corbyn.

It's not promises of free stuff. Its literally reversals of tax breaks given out the last 7 years to business and the rich and the savings being distributed to those on middle/lower incomes.

I work at the sharp end of where tory cuts fall and it's absolutely disgusting the effects it has on people. it's actually creating poverty which is a complete waste of potential and resources. Single under 25's who become unemployed are under such tremendous financial pressure that trying to keep a little bit stable takes up time that could be devoted to seeking employment.

No extra money to buy a shirt for an interview, no money to travel to interviews or bigger cities to look for work. Life on benefits shouldn't be comfortable, but neither should it be a living hell either. Disabled people, including ex servicemen are losing £30 a week and having their motability cars seized. Food bank use is through the roof, local provisions for them have been all but removed.