You're comparing Sheffield with Paris/Lille??

Yes, of course.
Are you saying that Sheffield isn't worthy of a station?

Explain why you believe it is, when countless other towns/cities aren't getting HS2 anywhere near them....?

Hate to say it but Sheffield are involed within 5 miles.
The East coast has been ignored totally.

Indeed, it's going as far as Leeds (well, that is the "plan" but as cod'ead says, believe it when we see it), a new line following the route of the A1 from London to Edinburgh would have a far bigger economic impact than shaving a 40 minutes off a trip people are already frequently making.

Eh?
You need me to explain that Sheffield is the ninth most populous urban area in the UK?
You need me to explain why, when the route isn't anywhere near the others, Sheffield gets a station and they don't?
You need me to explain how your question answers itself?

And which part of "Meadowhall" getting a station are you missing.

Do you live/work in/near Sheffield by any chance, and what %ge of the large population in Sheffield are actually likely to use the route, all the people on the Manor Estate maybe?

None ... which part of having to cross the city to get to Meadowhall (which a lot of population will need to do) do you not understand?


Again you are unable to present a relevant question.
Do not London, Birmingham, Leeds etc etc have "problem" estates too?
Does that disqualify those cities from investment and or railways?
Are you saying that Manor Estate is typical of the area as a whole and those kind of people won't use the new line? .... because that's what it sounds like.

Or are you simply being obtuse?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and guess the latter.

Again, you selectively answer, but hey ho, I am used to it.

Look, to try to counter a fact about large population size by chucking in a random remark about a "problem" estate to bolster your intimation that a Sheffield station would be little used is, to put it kindly, facile.

I ask agaain, are you from Sheffield.

I hear d a caller on Radio 4 remark that she'd have more faith in the "boost to the regions", if the project started in the North and worked its way down to London



Difficult to find a better example of why Land Value Taxation should be introduced. Just as is happening currently with Crossrail in London, there are business and individuals along the route who will receive a massive boost to the value of their property, simply through an accident of location. A boost that will have been paid for by every taxpayer in the UK. Now tell me that's fair.

Can't disagree with either point cod'ead.

A writer in tonight's London Evening Standard suggested that if the government really wanted to rebalance the economy away from finance and London then instead of HS2 they should create a high-speed triangular link between Manchester, its airport, Leeds and Sheffield. Also one linking B'ham, Nottin'm, Leicester, Wolverhpton and Stoke. A third Newcastle, Sunderland, M'borough, etc. Seems a better suggestion to me.

The discussion of why Meadowhall instead of the city centre Sheffield station and now Dallys mention of Middlesboro Sunderland and Newcastle does bring to mind the issue not of where the track is laid but where the train will stop, for the only purpose to a high speed link between to or more points is to move people quickly between those points, the paradox being that the more times you stop the longer the journey takes yet the fewer stops you make the less convenient you make it for the passengers.

if for instance you are unfortunate enough to live in Sunderland at the moment and your job involves you in regular commutes to, say, Leeds then there is an excellent already quite high speed service from Newcastle to Leeds, city centre to city centre and far, far faster than a car (the last time one of my daughters took the route I'm sure it was timed aroudn 80 mins or so), but the route goes nowhere near Sunderland, its not that it just flies through the town, the mainline goes nowhere near it and yet its a major dormitory town in the region, your journey to get to Newcastle or Durham stations to catch the express will probably add the best part of another hour to your journey - hardly convenient when its then cheaper to jump in your car and head down the A19 to Leeds, a journey which will then be quicker.

For me the choice is simple, my company pays my train fare to Birmingham and for me to park my car in Leeds for the day, I can be in the city centre in twenty minutes at 6am, can park my car all day for £3.50 (ok I don't use that car park because I'm a lazy arze and the company is paying so I use the £7.50 closer car park), the journey to Brum takes exactly two hours, its a reasonable service even though the last time I shared my table with a genuine tramp who was bumming a ride for as long as he could stay undetected by the train manager (in america he'd sit in a box car playing a harmonica, in the UK he sits in a seat that cost my company nearly £70 and keeps moving coaches), it doesn't need improving on, just making a bit cheaper, a bit more capacity and fewer minor delays - then it would be perfect.

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How can they announce plans when subject to a review?

No, I am not.
What difference does that make?

you have a an opinion not based on reality, but this isn't the only thread.

why not go to work, you could be helping out the economy.....?

Is the project going to start from London and work its way North?
Is that why it's going to be 20 years?

Blimey, Brunel built the GWR from scratch in only eight years, using men with picks and shovels ... how far we have come since those days eh?

Because I'm not from Sheffield?
Brilliant.
I see you have run out of irrelevant arguments.
Again.


Do you know what the nature of my work is, what hours or schedule I work, whether I am in work or out of work, or have the slightest idea about my personal circumstances?
No, you do not, so STFU.

Because they are clueless, arrogant dolts.

Just the Conservative side of the coalition though, right?

And where did I say that?

Apologies, I wasn't saying you had, I was seeking clarification as to wether you blame "the government" or "the tooreeeehs"

The Government. Collective responsibility and all that.