One of my faves is that women can't be priests because Paul said so. Also all the apostles were men, so how can a woman be so exalted. HELLO< they were all Jews, so obviously all priests should be Jews.

We'll be seeing threads like these all the time, this is KS preaching. He doesn't care how much he gets mocked as long as he's spreading the word of 'god'.

He isn't open to debate, he's an homophobic , sexist, bigot who can't come to terms with death. He can believe in what he wants but he shouldn't be allowed to force his evil on others.

He's shown his hand on many occasion, he starts off nice saying he only wants to save us and then takes great delight in telling us were all going to hell.

Self righteous .

This topic has now turned into what is a good topic to discuss to just slagging off Kirkstaller the majority had their say in that massive thread from a few weeks ago, can we just ignore the moon pixy lover, he'll never change his mind even if the big bang and eternal nothingness slap him in the face.

Have you ever read Terry Pratchett's Discworld novel 'Small Gods'.

Explains it perfectly.

errhh yes, interesting question FA !

how was God created ? and when the world ends, will God 'end' ?

that's one to ask KS or the next Witness who comes knocking at your door...

I've asked him who created the creator before, he's got nothing, none of them have.

Pointless and futile, while science marches on these idiots want to drag us back to the dark ages where tyranny, hate and fear ruled.

I don't know who created God, if he even had a creator that is.

Try [url=http://www.miyakoteppanyaki.com/Myako Teppanyaki[/url mate, it's like cooking and eating in a circus

It wasn't just any apple - it was fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. The Fall of Man is actually very much like Tony Nicklinson's case (apologies for bringing the thread back ON topic). Tony Nicklinson wants to play God as much as Adam and Eve did.



Because any of us in Adam's place would have done the same thing.



God did not create Satan.

Satan was originally a holy angel called Lucifer. Lucifer became arrogant and jealous and he decided that he wanted to be better than God. He was subsequently cast out of Heaven and he came to live in our world.



I don’t agree with that analogy, but in any case the kid is to blame.



The consequence of Adam’s sin.



God is sovereign. Who are you, a mere human being, to question his plan?.



How can you say it is an overreaction? You underestimate the severity of sin.



He gave us free will.

He created the set, the actors, the script – but he lets us decide what actually happens on stage.



I wouldn’t say that any of the Bible is lunacy. Perhaps Mintball would care to oblige?



Inherited sin.



All babies are sinful.



I have yet to see any logic or reason from you, only tantrums at how unfair you think God is.

Yep clearly not brain washed.

Since your god (according to your acript) not only knows everything that has happened but everything that will happen, this is errant nonsense.



The [iBible[/i is, in itself, no more or no less nonsense than the tales of the Greek/Roman gods or the Norse gods or any other gods or any other creation myths, such as Gilgamesh.

It is a collection of stories and poetry and proverbs and genealogy selected from an even greater amount of those things, and all bundled together, at a later date, into one book.

It is a work of literature and some of that literature is astounding. Some of the Psalms, for instance, are quite beautiful, while some of the stories would appall even the fans of slasher movies.

Anthropologically, it is interesting as a work illustrating how one tribe explained the world and organised itself in terms of laws, and how it saw its own history in its own tiny part of the world.

The "lunacy" is that some apparently educated people, in the 21st century, take it at face value, abandon any critical skills, any logic, and not only believe the worst of these stories, but defend them.

While one should always be wary of [ireductio ad Hitlerum[/i, these people, who believe in the absolute, literal truth of the [iBible[/i, and then defend it, are defending behaviour hardly unakin to that of despots and dictators.

The "lunacy" is entirely theirs.

you are on a wind up mate.surely you dont believe that c**p you ve posted above!!!! you cant believe in all that, surely not. if you do believe that , you need to report your parents or whoever mentally abused and brainwashed you as a kid, to the authorities and then you need to go into therapy to become normal and realise what you were told to believe is in fact SH*T.

No, not really.

Whilst God may know everything, including what will happen in the future, our choices remain our own. God just happens to know what we will choose. Knowledge of something =/= influence, and to pretend otherwise is to pervert the Biblical definition of predestination.



What evidence do you have for that, exactly?



Correct.



Oh dear.



Correct.



I agree with you 100%.



Again I agree, though that doesn’t lessen the historical accuracy of that particular worldview.



I have examined the Bible critically and have come to a different conclusion to you.



God is sovereign over mankind.

You have posted in the past about your own false conversion and eventual backslide back into rebellion. I do not take lectures on morality from those who have abandoned the morality laid down by God.

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I'm anxious that this thread gets back on topic - if you have a genuine theological question, PM me.

Let's get back to talking about the issue of euthanasia and the right to die.

If i was a good charitable person, never said boo to a goose and loved my neighbour and was an all round good egg but didn't believe in god would i been as less of a person when i died as someone who raped killed stole and lied his whole life to repent on their death bed and accept god in to their life?

Not me, for a start. I don't like fruit. There, that just debunked your theory didn't it?


Who did? You admit you don't know who created your god, now you admit that perhaps his main competitor was not a creation of his either. I deduce that there must be another creator, one who pre-dates your god, and seemingly can do things your's can't. Isn't that a tad worrying for you? Especially as you have no clue who this super-god might be?


God doesn't exist. If he did, I wouldn't "question" this sort of plan, I would declare it to be psychopathic madness.


Not according to you, not in any meaningful sense, you say he created us knowing 100% definitely what we would each of us do, therefore clearly each of our actions would be pre-ordained by our creator. If god knows what I am going to do next week, then self-evidently whatever I do can't be my fault, as I have no choice in the matter.


You cannot escape the logic that as he knows what I am going to do, I have no choice. I cannot decide. Because if I decided differently, then your god would have been wrong, and we can't have that, can we?


Not me. Your god, OTOH, regularly seems to.

Whether she cares to or not, there is such a wealth of lunacy and contradiction that it is hard to know even where to start. OK,tell us, where do you stand on this:
=#FF0000"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man." (1 Tim. 2:12-14)"
Sounds fairly barking to me. Then again, what about forcing virgin rape victims to marry their rapists, who if caught have to pay a small fee to the victim's dad?
=#FF0000Deuteronomy 22:28-29 "28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. "

What about God threatening to force disobedient people into having adulterous sex?
=#FF0000 "This is what the Lord says: "Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight." (2 Sam. 12:11)"
Or maybe slaughtering thousands of children on a whim?
=#FF0000"At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well. (Exod. 12:29)
Oh, hang on. I presume that bit was ok since according to you,






A man who has actually gone into print with "All babies are sinful" challenges me on logic! You couldn't make it up!



But he does seem to be unfair to fig trees:
=#FF0000Matthew 21:19-20
19 And seeing a fig tree by the road, He came to it and found nothing on it but leaves, and said to it, “Let no fruit grow on you ever again.” Immediately the fig tree withered away.
As god, you'd have thought he'd know why fig trees don't have figs on them all the time, instead of getting so upset. What is this if not lunacy?

If you fail to see the dozens of pieces of logic it is because you are blind. As god certainly does not exist, it would be a stretch even on your part to ascribe to me a view that a non-existent entity is "unfair". What I am doing is explaining what a piece of work your god would have to be, if he existed as described in your books. The point is to convince you that he doesn't exist, and that even if he did, then he'd be someone to steer well clear of.


Maybe he just wants to follow the example of Jesus, who voluntarily had himself killed?

I’ll respond to your question, but if you have any more then please PM me



The scenario you have given is not a realistic one, particularly from the Christian perspective. You have labelled yourself ‘good’, but how is good defined, and who defines what is good?

Let me ask you a few questions:

Have you ever told a lie?

Have you ever stolen anything?

Have you ever taken the Lord’s name in vain?

Have you ever looked at a woman with lust?

If so, in God’s eyes you are not a good person, you are a criminal. Criminals deserve punishment, and the punishment for guilty sinners is eternal separation from God in Hell. Since everyone has sinned and falls short of the glory of God, we are all destined for this punishment – yes, everyone - you, me, Gandhi, Mother Teresa, Hitler, Stalin, Bin Laden and even the Pope.

The good news is that there is a way we can avoid this terrible fate. Because God loves us so much, he provided us with a way to be reconciled with him and have our sins washed away. He did this by giving up the life of his only begotten son – Jesus – who took the punishment for us. In order to have our transgressions forgiven, all God asks for is an admission of guilt. He wants humility. We must understand that even if by human standards we judge ourselves to be good, we still break God’s commandments and fall short of his mark.

Anyone can receive God’s grace – it doesn’t matter if you’re a serial killer or a ‘good, charitable person’.

I hope this answers your question.

Damn, you got me there.



God created angels before the creation of the universe. The Bible does not mention any other God.



Can you explain to me how God’s knowledge of our decisions has any influence on them?

Say I recorded a game of rugby league on Sky+. I then read about what happens in the game – the big decisions, the tries, the controversies. Then I go back and watch the game from the beginning. Are the decisions of the players influenced by my foreknowledge? Do they have any choice in whether they commit a high tackle or not? Of course they do.

Before you say that this example is different because the event has already happened, remember that God exists outside of time – he is in the past, present and future. Knowing what will happen or what has happened does not equate to influence.



What do you mean where do I stand on this? It’s exactly what it says on the tin.



You’re quoting Jewish ceremonial law. That is not God’s moral law, and even if it was, it does not convey any endorsement from God as to the morality of such a procedure.



God is threatening to do this to David because David has committed great evil.



That was a curse over Egypt for their wicked treatment of God’s people.



What has this got to do with anything? You should learn the lesson of the fig tree – God loves fruit bearing people.



If you did accept God, as described in the Bible, how on earth is it logical to ‘steer well clear’ of him?

Because, like you, he's a barm pot.

Have you ever run for the council?

You've been got, hundreds of times, and not just by me. Monty Python's knight has nothing on you.


Angels are as fictitious as your god. The issue was WHO CREATED GOD but as you have already admitted that you don't know, looks like I got you again. Job done.


They are in no meaningful way "decisions" given that according to you each and every one was pre-ordained by your god.


Utterly ridiculous analogy. At no time did you have foreknowledge of what would happen in any future event. You chose to view a historical event. A better analogy would be if you had created a player and knew that tomorrow he would be sent off, for fouling another player. As the event has been pre-ordained, he has no choice in the matter. If he does not foul the player and does not get sent off then you would have been wrong and for a god that would never do.


Say what? As predicted, you have just come up with some more metaphysical mumbo jumbo, as you invariably do whenever something is too hard. You just make absurd claims and state them as if they are some sort of fact, not a breathtakingly nutty proposition, based on no evidence at all. No, I do NOT "remember" that "god exists outside of time" - he does not exist at all.


* I mean it is nutty to say, for example, that women cannot teach, and I was wondering whether you agree that women cannot teach, which would be nutty. I presume, from your answer, that nuts it is?

* I mean it is nutty to say, for example, that a woman cannot be a Crown Court judge, and sentence a man for his crimes, and I was wondering whether you accept that, or whether you think that women cannot have any authority over men under any circumstances, which would be nutty. I presume from your answer that nuts it is?


I'm quoting your Bible! So at least you agree that [isome[/i of the Bible is bollox? Progress, I suppose.


Say what? What is he threatening to do "to David"? He's actually threatening reprisals not to David, but to someone nothing to do with the issue which so upsets god.


So slaughtering a whole generation of babies is not nutty in your view. At least you admit it, but it does make you look as nutty as the god who would do such a thing, in the land of the sane.


That it sounds nutty to me for "the Lord" to kill a fig tree for having the temerity not to be in fruit. Again, your support for nuttiness is noted.

In keeping with your wish to remain on topic, I will close by pointing out I find it interesting that the thing you conspicuously fail to comment on is that in effect Nicklinson just wants to follow the example of Jesus, who voluntarily had himself killed. Too hard a point?

Isn't Lucifer/Satan a fallen angel? Ergo, created by god?

Sh!t, another design bummer

Tony Nicklinson has died.

Are you actually serious with that comment?

Wow

Would it be wrong to say ''that's good news''?

I imagine there will be some investigating done considering it's less than a week since he was refused the right to die.

Good, may he now rest in peace