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Sounds like Mr Mitchell could possibly get a handsome defamation settlement if he goes for it.
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| Quote ="Dally"Sounds like Mr Mitchell could get a handsome defamation settlement if he goes for it.'"
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I should also point out that it is usual for anyone bringing a claim of defamation to prove that they were of good character and any remarks made would sully that. |
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Mitchell has always said he never used the word 'pleb'.
An officer who claims to have heard him say the word wasn't even on duty at the time. Shambles.
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| Quote ="Ajw71"Mitchell has always said he never used the word 'pleb'.
An officer who claims to have heard him say the word wasn't even on duty at the time. Shambles.'"
Which officer is that? If you mean the one who's been arrested I don't believe he ever said he heard Mitchell say anything, he is alleged to have leaked the official police incident log to the press. It is the log which states Mitchell used the word pleb.
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| Quote ="Ajw71"Mitchell has always said he never used the word 'pleb'.
An officer who claims to have heard him say the word wasn't even on duty at the time. Shambles.'"
Wrong.
The arrest is for leaking the details of statements to the press by an officer who wasn't on duty at the time but who subsequently had access to the statements, nothing at all to do with what was said by whom.
You should read the news. |
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news.sky.com/story/1026850/andre ... vestigates
States here that "A police officer who claimed to have witnessed Andrew Mitchell's Downing Street rant is being investigated by the police watchdog"
"The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) is looking into the "validity" of his account - which helped lead to Mr Mitchell's resignation as Tory Chief Whip in October"
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States here that "A police officer who claimed to have witnessed Andrew Mitchell's Downing Street rant is being investigated by the police watchdog"
"The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) is looking into the "validity" of his account - which helped lead to Mr Mitchell's resignation as Tory Chief Whip in October"
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States here that "A police officer who claimed to have witnessed Andrew Mitchell's Downing Street rant is being investigated by the police watchdog"
"The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) is looking into the "validity" of his account - which helped lead to Mr Mitchell's resignation as Tory Chief Whip in October"'"
Even The Guardian reports that the officer seems to have said he witnessed the events when he wasn't on duty and then it is alleged he also misled MPs. If these allegations are founded, it would appear that Mitchell may have been set up for political reasons. The fact that Labour so relentlessly pursued and hounded him on what could prove false allegations should tell the voters all they need to know about Miliband's judgment and ethics.
The Guardian tucks away its report today in a modestly sized article at the bottom of, I think, page 4. A far cry from it's pages on the subject previously. Again, tells you all you need to know about the morals of the left-leaning chattering classes mouthpiece. |
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None of which gives Mitchell a case for defamation since it is not this officer who recorded the police log.
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| Quote ="Dally"Even The Guardian reports that the officer seems to have said he witnessed the events when he wasn't on duty and then it is alleged he also misled MPs. If these allegations are founded, it would appear that Mitchell may have been set up for political reasons. The fact that Labour so relentlessly pursued and hounded him on what could prove false allegations should tell the voters all they need to know about Miliband's judgment and ethics.
The Guardian tucks away its report today in a modestly sized article at the bottom of, I think, page 4. A far cry from it's pages on the subject previously. Again, tells you all you need to know about the morals of the left-leaning chattering classes mouthpiece.'"
Or, maybe, The Guardian has realised (as has Mitchell) that, ratrher than this off-duty chap, the issue is really about the contents of the Police log where it is recorded what Mitchell said.
Just a thought.
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Just spotted on Twitter:
Eye Spy MP @eyespymp Andrew Mitchell MP told off in Chancery Lane by cab driver for using mobile while cycling: "Get off the phone you moron."
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| Quote ="Mintball"Just spotted on Twitter:
Eye Spy MP @eyespymp Andrew Mitchell MP told off in Chancery Lane by cab driver for using mobile while cycling: "Get off the phone you moron."'"
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States here that "A police officer who claimed to have witnessed Andrew Mitchell's Downing Street rant is being investigated by the police watchdog"
"The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) is looking into the "validity" of his account - which helped lead to Mr Mitchell's resignation as Tory Chief Whip in October"'"
There is a really simple solution to all of this nonsense.
Release the cctv and audio tapes.
Cabinet Ministers don't resign because someone is making up stories about them, not when the incident took place in a street that MUST have the biggest saturation of cctv and audio devices, high quality at that, in the whole country, it would take a Cabinet Minister about five minutes to request a copy of the recordings that would proove beyond doubt what was said and done on that day, especially as his government will own the recordings int he first place.
What probably happened was that within five minutes of the story breaking the tapes were called in, watched, and then they spent a month hoping that the story would run its course and he'd escape the falling on his sword, what is happening now is a discrediting campaign of fluff and bluster to allow him to creep in by the back gate, preferably not on his bike.
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CCTV footage has now appeared.
It has no audio and you can make your own mind up but Mitchell doesn't look like someone who lost their temper.
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The plot thickens. Mitchell was done for by an email allegedly from a Ruislip constituent. Seems that the person was a serving police officer! The account in the email was almost exactly as per the police account, hence Mitchell was in the brown stuff. CCTV allegedly contradicts the police account and the constituents'.
The question is who set him up if that was the case? Police alone or where others involved - perhaps even a faction within the Tory party? Apparently The Sun is standing by its initial account. Not sure of the relevance of that.
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Shame Mitchell didn't get charged with a criminal offence as some were suggesting. Can you imagine if he had pleaded not guilty and proceeded to trial. Those dodgy coppers would have got destroyed under cross ex. Would have been charged with perjury.
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| Quote ="Ajw71"CCTV footage has now appeared.
It has no audio and you can make your own mind up but Mitchell doesn't look like someone who lost their temper.'"
[urlhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210655/Andrew-Mitchell-CCTV-footage-calling-police-plebs-inconclusive.html[/url You know what that is - carefully leaked political spin.
I've been around too long to swallow this as the only evidence that Cameron has been presented with, a distant 40 second shot with no audio that "experts" have been unable to decipher mouthed comments from.
Sorry, but that is Bull-droppings being carefully fed to a media who they want to bring back onside, if the event had been a terrorist attack then they'd have produced the real tapes, the HD ones that could be used as rushes for the next Hollywood blockbuster shot from several carefully located camera angles, camera positions that were picked by the experts that they employed to provide cctv to the home of the British Prime Minster.
FFS I could provide a video clip of the quality in that report just buy nipping down to Maplins and buying a £50 kit.
Cameron forced Mitchell to resign and he didn't do it on a complete lack of evidence, in the meantime the Met Police Commissioner who presumably has seen the real security video evidence seems to back his officers [urlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20771199[/url |
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Quote ="JerryChicken"[urlhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210655/Andrew-Mitchell-CCTV-footage-calling-police-plebs-inconclusive.html[/url You know what that is - carefully leaked political spin.
I've been around too long to swallow this as the only evidence that Cameron has been presented with, a distant 40 second shot with no audio that "experts" have been unable to decipher mouthed comments from.
Sorry, but that is Bull-droppings being carefully fed to a media who they want to bring back onside, if the event had been a terrorist attack then they'd have produced the real tapes, the HD ones that could be used as rushes for the next Hollywood blockbuster shot from several carefully located camera angles, camera positions that were picked by the experts that they employed to provide cctv to the home of the British Prime Minster.
FFS I could provide a video clip of the quality in that report just buy nipping down to Maplins and buying a £50 kit.
Cameron forced Mitchell to resign and he didn't do it on a complete lack of evidence, in the meantime the Met Police Commissioner who presumably has seen the real security video evidence seems to back his officers [urlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20771199[/url'"
Give it up Jerry Chicken, he's been well and truly stitched up. I know you hate Tories but please show some common sense.
Look at this video....
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Quote ="JerryChicken"[urlhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210655/Andrew-Mitchell-CCTV-footage-calling-police-plebs-inconclusive.html[/url You know what that is - carefully leaked political spin.
I've been around too long to swallow this as the only evidence that Cameron has been presented with, a distant 40 second shot with no audio that "experts" have been unable to decipher mouthed comments from.
Sorry, but that is Bull-droppings being carefully fed to a media who they want to bring back onside, if the event had been a terrorist attack then they'd have produced the real tapes, the HD ones that could be used as rushes for the next Hollywood blockbuster shot from several carefully located camera angles, camera positions that were picked by the experts that they employed to provide cctv to the home of the British Prime Minster.
FFS I could provide a video clip of the quality in that report just buy nipping down to Maplins and buying a £50 kit.
Cameron forced Mitchell to resign and he didn't do it on a complete lack of evidence, in the meantime the Met Police Commissioner who presumably has seen the real security video evidence seems to back his officers [urlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20771199[/url'"
Give it up Jerry Chicken, he's been well and truly stitched up. I know you hate Tories but please show some common sense.
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"there's nothing I have seen … that causes me to doubt that original account of the officers who were on duty at the time."
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Seriously - those are the best videos that they have - thats the total extent of the video surveillance of the security gates on Downing Street ?
You have to be very gullible to believe that those three clips are the sum total of what was recorded that night, and that no audio was recorded, or if its true that those three badly located cameras REALLY ARE the sum total of surveillance on Downing Street then al qaeda must be plotting their next strike as we type, they won't even need face masks.
I'll repeat, a man who did not say the words that were attributed to him would not have resigned in the circumstances that he did - and lets not forget the fact that he used the "f" word against a police officer was not what caused his downfall, it was the words "pleb" and "moron" that he denied using for a month before resigning, two fairly inoccuous words in the grand scheme of things which, if he had not denied using them, would just have caused a ripple of laughter among his political collegues (they already called him "Thrasher" so knew he had a bit of a temper) and a couple of days p1ss take in the press, the police officer accepted his apology and that would have been that.
Fact was that he deined it for so long and then suddenly had his mind changed for him.
Somewhere there is proper cctv and audio recordings taken at ground level form the security office from several angles, this crappy "evidence" may as well be a cartoon, what we are seeing is a muddying of the waters in order to let him back into the room, in the same way that Labour did with Mandleson.
The sad thing is that they think we'll all swallow this guff, its amatuerish.
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Seriously - those are the best videos that they have - thats the total extent of the video surveillance of the security gates on Downing Street ?
You have to be very gullible to believe that those three clips are the sum total of what was recorded that night, and that no audio was recorded, or if its true that those three badly located cameras REALLY ARE the sum total of surveillance on Downing Street then al qaeda must be plotting their next strike as we type, they won't even need face masks.
I'll repeat, a man who did not say the words that were attributed to him would not have resigned in the circumstances that he did - and lets not forget the fact that he used the "f" word against a police officer was not what caused his downfall, it was the words "pleb" and "moron" that he denied using for a month before resigning, two fairly inoccuous words in the grand scheme of things which, if he had not denied using them, would just have caused a ripple of laughter among his political collegues (they already called him "Thrasher" so knew he had a bit of a temper) and a couple of days p1ss take in the press, the police officer accepted his apology and that would have been that.
Fact was that he deined it for so long and then suddenly had his mind changed for him.
Somewhere there is proper cctv and audio recordings taken at ground level form the security office from several angles, this crappy "evidence" may as well be a cartoon, what we are seeing is a muddying of the waters in order to let him back into the room, in the same way that Labour did with Mandleson.
The sad thing is that they think we'll all swallow this guff, its amatuerish.
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So have you seen something on the CCTV that proves the police log incorrect? Otherwise it's more irrelevant guff from an arrogant pillock attempting to worm his way back in to frontline politics, probably as some kind of revenge over those Tories who relished getting rid of him. |
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