Ok, seeing as you're claiming to be so blinkered and possibly naive(?), happy to help:





But "humbug" is far more offensive and the word 'surrender' is influencing people.






You're a rum one, ain'tcha.


So they should have voted for the deal. It might not be wonderful but it's better than no deal. Instead they chose to delay in the hope of reversing Brexit and damaging the government. If they don't want 'no deal' and all promised to honour the referendum, surely they would vote for a deal? Or...hang on...no surely they wouldn't be lying, would they?




You're seeing what you want to see, in other words.

I back the result of the referendum. Do you?

And if they choose to hurl abuse at the PM, they deserve everything they get. Give it but can't take it? Hypocrites? Surely not.

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hu ... ns-2636711 constituents voted leave, MP's shafted them and went remain... Duplicitous Labour....

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hu ... ns-2636711 constituents voted leave, MP's shafted them and went remain... Duplicitous Labour....

Cool pics Bro, I even cracked a smile, but once again I've never seen Mary Nightingale start the the news with such contemptible images. Unlike Boris, who continues to insult the people trying to stop a no-deal Brexit. I shouldn't be too surprised though, you only have to look at his rap sheet to see what a repugnant individual he is.




They wanted a better deal, a deal where all sides of the house could have some input, but no, the government chose the blinkered approach. Why should the biggest decision this country has had to make in eighty years be decided by fifty percent of the M.P.'s?




I'm a bit like Boris with the Supreme Court, I abide with the decision, but I don't think it's the right one.

But again, did the referendum ballot paper say leave the E.U. without a deal, sorry that was a bit rhetorical, of course it didn't, because it was going to be the easiest deal in human history apparently.

The hypocrisy from Boris just goes on and on.
Anyone trying to prevent him having carte blanche to take us out of the EU with No deal is a "traitor" and yet, he was happy (twice) to vote against May's withdrawal bill.
2 1/2 years down the line since the referendum and our "almighty leader", still hasn't got his plans for Ireland beyond scribbled ideas on the proverbial fag packet.
We finally have our very own version of Trump, a populist right wing racist politician, who doesn't give a toss about anyone or anything apart from his own political vision.
I just wonder which laws he will break to achieve his dream of a no deal exit from the EU, which was his idea all along.

It's no wonder that Trump likes him as Boris seems to enjoy having someone's hand firmly up his backside pulling his strings.

The concept behind Brexit does become a little clearer now though, with an ever closer union with the USA being the desired position, as opposed to trading and working with our largest and closest "natural" market.

It's always interesting to try and work out just why people do certain things and whilst it wasn't obvious at the start, it's certainly becoming clear now.

God bless the United Kingdom of America - and we dont even have to change the colours on our flag.

What about the Tory MPs whose constituents voted Remain? Should they also vote against the Government? Not that constituents voted on political boundaries; that no doubt escaped you.

IF an MP is to do their job, they vote AS INSTRUCTED by the people they represent.

Another attempt at an insult, keep it going, you might say something insulting one day.

They don’t.

They do what they think is best for their constituency. You see, UK MP’s are representatives, not delegates.



The amount of pig ignorant people who believe they’re politically savvy since the referendum is quite remarkable.

So, the majority vote one way, it is down to their REPRESENTATIVE to, errr, REPRESENT that.

The amount of pig ignorant people suddenly cropping up and chucking attempted insults around is baffling,

Are you suggesting we should therefore have a people's vote on every individual issue so MPs know exactly how one-third of their populace are feeling prior to any decision in the House; rather than what they think is best?

Sorry but, he's right.
Although, in a "straight line" you would expect an MP in a leave area to vote "leave" in Parliament.
The MP will have gained their seat based on a majority in their constituency.
There will be MP's of ALL parties, who, although, elected by a majority in their constituency, (of those who bothered to vote), are still following their party mandate or perhaps the party whip and as we've seen recently, even then, they can still vote (on all issues) whichever way they choose and come the next General Election, their constituents have the chance to either vote them back in or not.

Of course, Brexit wasn't decided along party lines, with voters, in many cases going against their chosen party's preference.
Not to mention the dreaded "no deal" vs "a deal".

Although it's not the same thing, we actually have a Prime Minister, currently voted in purely by the Tory membership, a mere 92000 people.
Democracy is indeed a strange thing in this country but, remember, the protection of our democracy and ability to make our own laws, is, we were told, what Brexit was all about.

Unfortunately, the Prime Minister, voted in by just 92,000 people now believes that Parliament should be shut down and that The High Court got their judgement wrong - how very ironic.

As for MP's serving their constituency, I'm sure that the vast majority would say that this is exactly what they are doing, although not everyone seems to like it.

You'll be asking me next if I think parties should be held accountable for keeping manifesto promises.

I'm happy to agree to disagree, without insults.

Democracy has been to be of little substance or value, a sad time for the UK.

All the PM is trying to do is deliver on the 17.4m who voted to leave guarantee if the opposite had happened and we had voted to remain and the MPs were trying to take us out you would up in arms big style

This about one thing and one thing only - the inability of the likes of you to accept that the general population didn’t see things as you did and as such your perceived intellectual superiority should have adhered to because everyone who voted the other way is either a fool or a racist. Your arrogance is duly noted

The deal failed because hundreds of Labour MPs voted en-mass to reject it - if they had supported the deal as they said they would then the deal would have flown through despite the ERG

Yes thanks, I studied the EU constitution and its democratic institutions back in my university days. It's not the scary thing you read about in the Daily Mail or on Twitter or wherever this Project Fear stuff gets shared nowadays.

But, like Sal, you fall back into these simplistic tropes. Using the very phrase "the EU" as if it was some monster whose sole aim was to ruin the lives of patriotic Englishmen. One day you'll learn that "the EU" isn't a monolithic bloc, but simply the representative of 28 individual nation states who have agreed to work together to improve the lives of their citizens and preserve the peace on the continent. It's the opposite of scary, unless things or people that are different scare you as a matter of course.

I’ve got a bit of sympathy with Johnson’s position on the use of ‘surrender’, not that I agree with that characterisation. However, it seems pretty tame compared with Bevan’s famous ‘lower than vermin’ quote, for example, and I think restricting robust language of the former type is problematic. I dislike it when people try to re-brand problems as challenges or opportunities for the same reason.

I have even more sympathy with people receiving death threats, of course, but Johnson, wazzock though I think he is, isn’t the one making them. The blame is with the hate-filled idiots who are and despite his many, many faults he isn’t one of them. The best way to honour Jo Cox line was very, very clumsy, mind you.

On the ‘betrayal’ by parliament, the farce of the no to every option indicative votes was undoubtedly a failure. On the other hand, i’m not sure any option would have commanded a majority in the country either, and that is why we’re stuck. Remainers need to get over their disappointment at the Leave result, and Leavers need to get over their disappointment with the results of leaving.

Nah, don't believe you. You know why? That's the 3rd time I asked you today and you didn't mention it, and in the 2 years since Brexit that's the first time I've seen you mention it.

But, [size=110IF[/size it's true, and you studied the EU at one of our universities stuffed full of left-wing liberal agenda-driven academics, then it's no wonder you're brainwashed.

But I'll humour you. Tell me, where will the EU be in 50 years?


The EU is the representative name of the union. Or do you want me to individually mention each institution and nation every time? I'm well aware of the structure and constitution of the EU thank you.

Why on earth are you talking about it being scary? Christ alive. I'm not 'scared' of it, I simply don't agree with the ideology that drives it, nor where it's heading. I don't like their 'pillars' and I don't like the views of its leaders since inception, and I don't like the way their leaders have openly belittled and mocked the UK since we first proposed reform, I think I've mentioned this about a squillion times.

50 years - that is a long-ass time, especially with ever faster social and technological change, so I think we need to provide a range. Somewhere between ecologically distressed white ethnostate and nuclear fusion fuelled liberal-leaning leisure paradise, most likely.

Nobody knows, do they? Soldiers returning from the First World War couldn’t foresee the Cold War, the Apollo missions, or hippies and free love, and those hippies in turn probably weren’t expecting the likes of Trump and Johnson as prominent leaders of the anglosphere.

Oh God, here we go again. Where on earth do you get your news from, our fellow EU members have bent over backwards to give the UK opt outs, rebates and preferential treatment. Just because whatever media you consume leaves you misinformed, doesn't make it reality.

Just because you interpret things one way doesn’t mean it is correct. The EU have never bent over backwards to give the UK a better deal they have been pushed to concede by previous forceful leaders particularly Thatcher. The have conceded because some billions is better than no billions - the EU is not the benevolent entity you paint it out to be.

Is that the same PM who voted down May's deal (twice) and helped ensure that she resigned - so that he could put himself forward for PM.

As for people like me. Yes, I voted remain - there is no secret about that and from day on, I, along with many others, suggested that it would be impossible to keep the same benefits outside the EU that we currently "enjoy" and it's quite right for MP's to try and keep the PM and the "leave" side to their promise of a no hard border in Ireland, no contributions to the EU and most of all a free trade deal.

So far, this government, along with the previous government, havent been able to reach consensus among its cabinet or it's own MP's, never mind coming close to satisfying the rest of Parliament or the wider population.

I'll take the perceived intellectual superiority though, as right now, at least I was bright enough to know that we were being lied to and conned, something which Boris has continued to do in spades, since becoming to PM and some people couldnt spot the lies - the clue was when you saw his lips move.



You still see people on TV being interviewed that didn't know that there were 2 parts of Ireland or, different products had tariffs applied as they come into the country etc, etc, etc
However, the one absolute certainty is that NOBODY knew what they were voting for as this will only become known if/when a deal is agreed.

If he (Boris) can get remotely close to what was promised by the leave campaign, there may still be a chance of getting a deal through Parliament after the next election but, having dismissed 21 of his own MP's, there is no chance of him passing anything through Parliament for now, not even a recess for his own party conference - yet another misjudgement by the country's new leader.

Fundamentally, if the PM is prepared to break the law to get his own way, why should ANYONE try and abide to the laws that currently exist

He didn't break the law.

I think you will find that he did.
It's all a bit technical but, he broke constitutional law and not criminal law.

Look it up, it's a right riveting read.

Yes, we won a few minor reforms but others were firmly rejected. And nothing of major importance changed.

Anyway, my comment didn't refer to that. It referred to the language of the EU even when Cameron was seeking reforms. Since 2015 we've been belittled, insulted and generally treated like sh-t. Granted, they've had to listen to UKIP in the EP and watch our ludicrous Parliament, but their tone was clear even before the referendum. We are the rich, disliked but grudgingly tolerated, unsophisticated and uncouth cousins of 'true' Europe.

You should watch 'Paxman in Brussels' (it's on Youtube). It wasn't the decider for me by far, but it shone a stark light on a few truths.

And I'll try again, albeit with a short timespan: where do you see the EU in 30 years? Bearing in mind the ultimate goals of it's earliest founders...

All that, and that's the only thing you comment on?

I bet you've got a great posting history in the Daily Mail and Daily Express echo chambers.

We already had, and have, a favourable deal in the first place.

Honestly, you Brexiteers never cease to amaze. You think you're being insulted because you read some propaganda in the hard right press and decide it's worth destroying our economy for. What a total and utter snowflake.

They'll probably continue to tweak rules so that trade becomes even more barrier free, continue to do trade deals with other large blocs. But here's the problem with conspiracy-ridden Brexiteers: you just paranoidly assume this monolithic monster is out to destroy Britondom on some pre-determined plan. You just can't see that the EU is a collection of member states behind which sit the governments and behind which sit the people. Everything depends on how politics moves.

Over the past 20 years, pushed ironically enough by Britain, the EU has become rather right wing in lots of ways with the application of British-style free markets into lots of areas which probably aren't appropriate. Hence for example other countries have split up their railways into track owning and operational entities, just like us, because it lets companies from across Europe to be able to freely bid on operations.

But there's now a general move to the left in politics amongst younger people so the EU will probably reflect that a bit more. It won't change the fundamentals, which are a trading bloc where goods can move quickly and easily for mutual benefit to all members, because, you know, that's a foundation stone upon which our and their prosperity is built and it would be insane to fundamentally tamper with, or leave, it. But it may instead focus on, for example, more help for the poorest areas or encouraging greater collaboration on climate change etc. But forgive me if I guess what your views on the last two topics are.