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| But it did bring us the joyful sight of a Yorkshire pensioner politely telling him, "Please leave my town."
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Those poor trainees having to stand and listen to his lies and waffle, just so that he could pretend to be the leader with "law & order" credentials for the party that cut 18,000 police and now expects them to stand and cheer for announcing the first steps to replace them, what an utter tool.'"
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| Boris commenting on David Miliband making his disappointment known about losing out to his brother, Ed, in the Labour leadership race;
"Absolutely not. We don't do things that way, that's a very left-wing thing ... only a socialist could do that to his brother, only a socialist could regard familial ties as being so trivial as to shaft his own brother.
I mean, unbelievable. Only lefties can think like that ... they see people as discrete agents devoid of ties to society or to each other, and that's how Stalin could murder 20 million people".
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| Quote ="tigertot"Boris commenting on David Miliband making his disappointment known about losing out to his brother, Ed, in the Labour leadership race;
"Absolutely not. We don't do things that way, that's a very left-wing thing ... only a socialist could do that to his brother, only a socialist could regard familial ties as being so trivial as to shaft his own brother.
I mean, unbelievable. Only lefties can think like that ... they see people as discrete agents devoid of ties to society or to each other, and that's how Stalin could murder 20 million people".'"
The difficulty is that when his reputation is as somebody who is dishonest, hypocritical and inconstant, there’s no reputational damage associated with that being further confirmed. Rueful grin, shrug, tell another lie, knowing smirk, rinse and repeat.
His problem is more if/when he’s shown to be incompetent. when he’s trying to get stuff done, being distrusted and it being widely understood that such distrust is justified is a BIG problem. His accusations of Labour cowardice for avoiding an immediate election should hit home, but (many... most?) people can see that they’re right not to trust him.
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| Sounds like the Tories are now getting rid of the Speaker, John Bercow.
The steps to the right continue at pace.
At least it should leave plenty of room in the centre left of politics and Labour would be wise to fill that void as quickly as they can.
If they could persuade David Milliband to come back as leader, they may have a chance of success in future.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Sounds like the Tories are now getting rid of the Speaker, John Bercow.
The steps to the right continue at pace.
At least it should leave plenty of room in the centre left of politics and Labour would be wise to fill that void as quickly as they can.
If they could persuade David Milliband to come back as leader, they may have a chance of success in future.'"
Bercow has broken Parliamentary Protocol, he is a weasel, he is in good company in the HoP.
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| Quote ="IR80"Bercow has broken Parliamentary Protocol, he is a weasel, he is in good company in the HoP.'"
Can you give us any examples? Because Andrea Leadsom of all people saying something doesn't make it true.
Part of the Speaker's role is to stand up for the supremacy of Parliament over the Executive. The Executive rarely likes this but that's their role.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"Can you give us any examples? Because Andrea Leadsom of all people saying something doesn't make it true.
Part of the Speaker's role is to stand up for the supremacy of Parliament over the Executive. The Executive rarely likes this but that's their role.'"
His job is also to be impartial - can anyone really say he has been impartial on Brexit?
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"Can you give us any examples? Because Andrea Leadsom of all people saying something doesn't make it true.
Part of the Speaker's role is to stand up for the supremacy of Parliament over the Executive. The Executive rarely likes this but that's their role.'"
Indeed it is, and abercow has played politics with the role, I can't wait for him to be gone, odious little wretch.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"His job is also to be impartial - can anyone really say he has been impartial on Brexit?'"
God, getting actual fact-based answers out of you Brexiteers is hard. Can you actually summon up some facts rather then just more of your very confidently stated assertions??
I've watched spent plenty of time watching BBC Parliament and seen nothing to suggest to suggest a lack of impartiality other than a bias towards Parliamentary supremacy over the executive. Which is his job, and should be the interest of anyone who cares about process and government accountability.
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| And it was the Supreme Court, no less, who ruled that it was the lawful responsibility of Parliament alone, to process Brexit
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Quote ="The Ghost of '99"God, getting actual fact-based answers out of you Brexiteers is hard. Can you actually summon up some facts rather then just more of your very confidently stated assertions??
I've watched spent plenty of time watching BBC Parliament and seen nothing to suggest to suggest a lack of impartiality other than a bias towards Parliamentary supremacy over the executive. Which is his job, and should be the interest of anyone who cares about process and government accountability.'"
Do you actually read what people post, I voted REMAIN, but I believe in democracy.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -democracy
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I've watched spent plenty of time watching BBC Parliament and seen nothing to suggest to suggest a lack of impartiality other than a bias towards Parliamentary supremacy over the executive. Which is his job, and should be the interest of anyone who cares about process and government accountability.'"
Do you actually read what people post, I voted REMAIN, but I believe in democracy.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -democracy
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| Never mind Bercow, it now appears that Parliament has been shut down illegally, by the Prime Minister.
He should resign now !
Lying, cheating b'stard.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Never mind Bercow, it now appears that Parliament has been shut down illegally, by the Prime Minister.
He should resign now !
Lying, cheating b'stard.'"
A decision on appeal, in Scotland, Supreme Court will rule (again) on Tuesday.
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| Quote ="IR80"A decision on appeal, in Scotland, High Court will rule on Tuesday.'"
I now about the High Court case but, the comments from the 3 Scottish Judges were scathing.
I really dont se this one getting reversed and it seems to show just how much contempt Boris actually has for democracy.
I may just paste up the reply sent from my own MP regarding the proroguing of Parliament.
It should make very interesting reading, especially if next weeks case rules against the Government.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"I now about the High Court case but, the comments from the 3 Scottish Judges were scathing.
I really dont se this one getting reversed and it seems to show just how much contempt Boris actually has for democracy.
I may just paste up the reply sent from my own MP regarding the proroguing of Parliament.
It should make very interesting reading, especially if next weeks case rules against the Government.'"
IF, and the size of that IF is not quntifiable at the moment, Boris and his ministers gave Her Majesty the wrong, illegal, guidance knowingly, then that is an act of treason, is it not?
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| Quote ="IR80"IF, and the size of that IF is not quntifiable at the moment, Boris and his ministers gave Her Majesty the wrong, illegal, guidance knowingly, then that is an act of treason, is it not?'"
If she sent him to the Tower, it would do us all a favour and then they could chuck him in a ditch and even he would be happy.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Never mind Bercow, it now appears that Parliament has been shut down illegally, by the Prime Minister.
He should resign now !
Lying, cheating b'stard.'"
I can't see how the issue is justiciable in the slightest, as 2 courts have already found. It's a political issue, not a legal one. The court summary reads more like an opinion piece than a legal finding. Show me the law or act broken and I'll change my mind.
The judges have apparently reached their conclusion based on new, partly redacted evidence, which they have mysteriously said should not be disclosed. Finding it "improper" or not within "generally accepted standards" is one thing, but still doesn't make it a legal matter. There is no written constitution defining the legalities of prorogation, so how can they rule on it?
Prorogation is not unusual, certainly after the longest sitting of Parliament in history (ongoing since June 2017). Yes, the timing is highly convenient for Johnson, a fact he is of course only too aware and proroguing now is certainly no accident as we all know. But is it illegal?
And does it matter what he said to the Queen? She's bound to accede whatever. He could have said it was for a Caribbean cruise and she can't say no.
Anyway, what's the point in recalling Parliament? Most of the self-serving vultures haven't been doing their jobs for over 3 years now, and are only interested in delaying Brexit until they can overturn it.
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Anyway, what's the point in recalling Parliament? Most of the self-serving vultures haven't been doing their jobs for over 3 years now, and are only interested in delaying Brexit until they can overturn it.
'" How many times til this falsehood is squashed once and for all.
The only reason we're still in the EU is because too many Brexiteers voted not to leave; enough people who believed in Remain voted for it to pass.
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The only reason we're still in the EU is because too many Brexiteers voted not to leave; enough people who believed in Remain voted for it to pass.'"
I didn't mention the votes. But yes the results are frustrating and while the extreme Brexiteers/ERG need to wind their necks in, far more Remainers need to honour the result of the referendum over their personal beliefs or party orders.
My point is that there is, and has been throughout, a large number of Remain MPs dedicated to placing hurdles in the path at every opportunity, with the hope of ultimately reversing the entire thing, all the while hardheartedly trying appear sincere in their promise to "respek da wefewendum". Couple that with Corbyn, who prioritises getting into No.10 and bringing the government down (I actually don't think he cares much about Brexit either way), and yes the small number of extreme Brexiteers, and you have a recipe for never achieving anything. As we have seen.
Parliament is at stalemate and is achieving nothing. Prorogue and stay prorogued.
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| Quote ="Cronus"Parliament is at stalemate and is achieving nothing. Prorogue and stay prorogued.'" That whole "taking back control" was a crock of **** then.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"That whole "taking back control" was a crock of **** then.'"
We haven't left yet. HTH.
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| Quote ="Cronus"We haven't left yet. HTH.
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You're right, we havent but, the preservation of Parliament and its necessity to ensure the rule of law only gets a mention as a stick with which to beat the EU.
It seems that those politicians, most in favour of leaving actually dont give a toss, just as long as they get their way.
Seems like a good reason for remaining and taking our advice form Brussels
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| Quote ="silver2"As a young man in the late 1960s I used to wonder how Hitler ever managed to come to power and sadly since then there has been two clear examples of how it could happen. The first was in 1979 when Thatcher came to power. The way in which her policies polarized the nation, coupled with her use of the police as political enforcers was shocking. The second example is once again down to a right wing tory government. Who would have thought that a British PM would close down parliament and even contemplate breaking the law to force through a policy which no longer has a majority backing. These are indeed sad times.'"
Have you been watching the BBC series on Hitlers rise to power..scary stuff and very relevant.
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