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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"I'll be voting Labour 100%
The Tories "hammer the young/poor/low paid/disabled + tax breaks for the rich" policies don't sit well with me at all.
Where as Corbyn has his faults, but he's a man of principle who is struggling to adapt to the phoney world of front bench politics. The policies are pretty good and I feel investment in the North is much better safeguarded by a Labour Government.'"
The problem is his naivety - what does he actually think he going to do about the 'tax dodgers' these are companies/individuals using legitimate tax avoidance methods to reduce the amounts of tax they pay. Does he honestly think he is going to get the likes of Green and Ashley to pay more? If he changes the rules you will end up with less tax take. Putting CT back to 30% isn't going to increase the tax take it will probably have the opposite effect.
Next its Southern Rail - so he wants to re-nationalise the railways. So commuters see the impact unions have on a business that is trying to run more efficiently can you imagine what it would be like if the railway was in public ownership!! If Labour got in you would see a huge swing in power to the unions and we have seen this week in Unite what happens when you expose their true practises and challenge the status quo.
Next there is going to be a cap on what companies can pay their top performers - that should be fun in the PL!! Its naive rhetoric from bunch of idealists who haven't had a job outside of politics and have no connection to ordinary working people.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"How could you vote for anything other than 100%? Put a single line instead of a cross in the box?
When you say Corbyn is a man of principle, shouldn't that translate to accepting that his MPs can and should vote against him on the basis of conscience? That's the flag he hid behind when doing so umpteen times. I'd also argue that if he was genuinely principled, his aim should be to get his party into power. If he can't he should quit and let someone else have a go. Otherwise he's actually letting down all Labour supporters, except for the mindless few who think running the Labour party is more important than running the country.'"
No I mean i'm 100% decided.
I think he can and does accept his MP's voting against him, just not when its deliberately done to sabotage the party and having Blairs old crew trying to derail him at every opportunity.
He's also obviously trying to get Labour in, it's a long shot according to the polls but stranger things have happened recently.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"The problem is his naivety - what does he actually think he going to do about the 'tax dodgers' these are companies/individuals using legitimate tax avoidance methods to reduce the amounts of tax they pay. Does he honestly think he is going to get the likes of Green and Ashley to pay more? If he changes the rules you will end up with less tax take. Putting CT back to 30% isn't going to increase the tax take it will probably have the opposite effect.
Next its Southern Rail - so he wants to re-nationalise the railways. So commuters see the impact unions have on a business that is trying to run more efficiently can you imagine what it would be like if the railway was in public ownership!! If Labour got in you would see a huge swing in power to the unions and we have seen this week in Unite what happens when you expose their true practises and challenge the status quo.
Next there is going to be a cap on what companies can pay their top performers - that should be fun in the PL!! Its naive rhetoric from bunch of idealists who haven't had a job outside of politics and have no connection to ordinary working people.'"
Of course he can get Ashley and Co to pay more, minimum wage increase, ban on exploitative 0hrs contracts etc. We will see a return of power to Unions, but thats not a bad thing - they are decimated at the minute so there's a happy medium to be found between now and what when on previously. Don't think there's much dodgy with whats gone on with Coyne, McCluskey will win by a country mile - there's no threat from Coyne so why stitch him up?
The cap is something like CEO can only make 25x more than the cleaner. So pay the cleaner 20k - boss gets 500k. I don't think that sounds unreasonable. Obviously dispensation would have to be made for some industries.
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"Of course he can get Ashley and Co to pay more, minimum wage increase, ban on exploitative 0hrs contracts etc. We will see a return of power to Unions, but thats not a bad thing - they are decimated at the minute so there's a happy medium to be found between now and what when on previously. Don't think there's much dodgy with whats gone on with Coyne, McCluskey will win by a country mile - there's no threat from Coyne so why stitch him up?
The cap is something like CEO can only make 25x more than the cleaner. So pay the cleaner 20k - boss gets 500k. I don't think that sounds unreasonable. Obviously dispensation would have to be made for some industries.'"
If Coyne isn't a threat why suspend him - appears like McClusky running scared whether he is or not who knows. It does no harm to expose the way the leadership of the union use the funds provided by the members - cosy expensive accomodation in London, final salary schemes etc. This is unions all over - what can the membership do for them not what they can do for the membership. McClusky is only interested in his influence on main stream left wing politics and he needs the union's funds to do that via its donation to Labour. As Ineos showed when his back is against the wall McClusky simply ran back to his cosy office with his tail between his legs. If that is the kind of guy you want having a massive influence in how the country is run good luck to you
Minimum wages are already on a path to higher levels so not sure what Labour are going to do make the minimum wage £15/hr all that happens is prices rise do you think Ashley is going to earn less? The business will be potentially less profitable and we all know what happens then - headcount gets reduced. You can't stop 0 hours contracts it does actually suit a big chunk of those on it. The one person who can ride it out is Ashley not sure those made redundant will find it so easy.
The problem is the very best talent costs a lot more than £500k - so to take your view cleaners at any of the big supermarkets would have to be on £120k a year!! You will not get the appropriate quality of CEO to run a BP for instance for £500k its a bonkers proposal completely unworkable. I take it this will proposal will only apply to public quoted companies or all LTD companies. Its typical of the idealistic approach that is so far adrift of a practical working solution it would be laughable if it weren't so sad.
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| Retail sales in the last quater suffer their biggest drop in 7 years.
Economically, this country is on its backside if we don't keep some form of access to the single market. Our economy is built on financial services, and being in the single market makes those services operate more easily, it also makes our currency stronger, which helps paper over the cracks of our unsustainable current account deficit which nobody seems to be doing anything about. We simply do not have the manufacturing base to fill the void leaving the European union is going to leave. In other words, the only thing making us an attractive place for companies to invest in is our financial services, so if that sector shrinks, or moves abroad, what do we have that can fill that void?
I'm not a fan of Corbyn, but the Tories record is just about indefensible, They've had 7 years, and we're in a worse state in areas like education, health, manufacturing, public safety, international relations, living standards, life expectancy, and the environment than we've been in years, and now we're faced with the prospect of falling off a economic cliff if the Tories Brexit plan goes through.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Have you not seen the value of the £ against the $.
1.43 last Jan to 1.24 today, a 17/18% drop ??
Although suppliers can close their eyes in the short term, these changes have a direct effect on the cost of goods that we all buy on the high street.
On the flip side, a weak currency certainly helps exports.
If only we had a strong manufacturing sector in the UK.................'"
We have a strong services sector which exports.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"
The problem is the very best talent costs a lot more than £500k - so to take your view cleaners at any of the big supermarkets would have to be on £120k a year!! You will not get the appropriate quality of CEO to run a BP for instance for £500k its a bonkers proposal completely unworkable. I take it this will proposal will only apply to public quoted companies or all LTD companies. Its typical of the idealistic approach that is so far adrift of a practical working solution it would be laughable if it weren't so sad.'"
Two points: name one public company that has the "best talent" running it. People will work for what the market rate is. If £500,000 was the maximum on offer they'd be queuing up for the jobs. To think otherwise is naïve.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Retail sales in the last quater suffer their biggest drop in 7 years.
Economically, this country is on its backside if we don't keep some form of access to the single market. Our economy is built on financial services, and being in the single market makes those services operate more easily, it also makes our currency stronger, which helps paper over the cracks of our unsustainable current account deficit which nobody seems to be doing anything about. We simply do not have the manufacturing base to fill the void leaving the European union is going to leave. In other words, the only thing making us an attractive place for companies to invest in is our financial services, so if that sector shrinks, or moves abroad, what do we have that can fill that void?
I'm not a fan of Corbyn, but the Tories record is just about indefensible, They've had 7 years, and we're in a worse state in areas like education, health, manufacturing, public safety, international relations, living standards, life expectancy, and the environment than we've been in years, and now we're faced with the prospect of falling off a economic cliff if the Tories Brexit plan goes through.'"
If we had no access to the single market we would buy less from the EU (too expensive) and the current account deficit would improve. Supply chains would adjust as UK based manufacturing became more cost effective. Whilst there will be a short-term shock in leaving the single market in several years time it may prove to have been the catalyst for rebalancing our economy. There could be an upside to Brexit as well as down side you know.
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| Quote ="Dally"If we had no access to the single market we would buy less from the EU (too expensive) and the current account deficit would improve. Supply chains would adjust as UK based manufacturing became more cost effective. Whilst there will be a short-term shock in leaving the single market in several years time it may prove to have been the catalyst for rebalancing our economy. There could be an upside to Brexit as well as down side you know.'"
So what you are saying is, if Brexit costs lots of people their jobs and homes, its ok because it may get better for the country in 7 years time?
I wonder if you would be advocating this if you lost your home and job because of it.
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| Quote ="Dally"Two points: name one public company that has the "best talent" running it. People will work for what the market rate is. If £500,000 was the maximum on offer they'd be queuing up for the jobs. To think otherwise is naïve.'"
Yes if the UK was the only country you could work - these top people can work anywhere in the world. To think if you put a cap here they would all just stay is naive in the extreme.
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| What do you think BMW are going to do if the import tariffs from Europe hit sales?
They will simply open factories here - we have demonstrated that when it comes to vehicle manufacture the UK is as good as it gets.
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| Quote ="Dally"We have a strong services sector which exports.'"
What services are you talking about ??
It's to be hoped you aren't wanting to rely on the financial services sector, which currently makes a fortune from being the clearing bank for the EU. Like they will want that to carry on
The Germans will be rubbing their hands at the thought of this work moving over to the EU
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"What services are you talking about ??
It's to be hoped you aren't wanting to rely on the financial services sector, which currently makes a fortune from being the clearing bank for the EU. Like they will want that to carry on
The Germans will be rubbing their hands at the thought of this work moving over to the EU'"
I am confused this is the 5/6th biggest economy in the world but according to some on here it doesn't manufacture anything, it has no research capability, it has very limited financial services so what does it have to get to the size it is?
The financial centre in London deals with much more than just clearing for Europe - let's face e are not going to export our own clearing are we?
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Yes if the UK was the only country you could work - these top people can work anywhere in the world. To think if you put a cap here they would all just stay is naive in the extreme.'"
Except most UK plc have boards made up of a few public school educated Brits. Most would not go elsewhere as they would have to demostrate capability.
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"So what you are saying is, if Brexit costs lots of people their jobs and homes, its ok because it may get better for the country in 7 years time?
I wonder if you would be advocating this if you lost your home tjob because of it.'"
Why do you think such a melodramatic outcome is likely? We managed over 900 years as an independent country not within the EU. Why the panic?
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| I'll vote conservative. I'm pretty lukewarm about Theresa May and indeed my local MP but the alternatives are not credible.
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| Quote ="Ajw71"I'll vote conservative. I'm pretty lukewarm about Theresa May and indeed my local MP but the alternatives are not credible.'"
And May is?
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| Quote ="Dally"Why do you think such a melodramatic outcome is likely? We managed over 900 years as an independent country not within the EU. Why the panic?'"
There are lots of people whose jobs depend on the EU. When that goes and if they can't get an equivalent job then that is what will happen. Saying we were fine before the EU is just a typical bury your head in the sand and hope for the best attitude. Or are you the 'I'm alright Jack so sod everyone else' type of person?
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"There are lots of people whose jobs depend on the EU. When that goes and if they can't get an equivalent job then that is what will happen. Saying we were fine before the EU is just a typical bury your head in the sand and hope for the best attitude. Or are you the 'I'm alright Jack so sod everyone else' type of person?'"
The country has more people e,played than ever before
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"There are lots of people whose jobs depend on the EU. When that goes and if they can't get an equivalent job then that is what will happen. Saying we were fine before the EU is just a typical bury your head in the sand and hope for the best attitude. Or are you the 'I'm alright Jack so sod everyone else' type of person?'"
The country has more people employed than ever before
and 700,000 vacancies. Not sure there is reason to worry too much. Not all jobs (if any) that 'depend' on EU will go. Depends on what is negotiated and how individual businesses react. We were told by the BBC and former Chancellor that the wheels would drop off big time just on the outcome of vote itself. They did not. There are much bigger threats to the economy than being out or in EU. It is a side-show.
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| Quote ="Dally"Why do you think such a melodramatic outcome is likely? We managed over 900 years as an independent country not within the EU. Why the panic?'"
The thing is that, we were doing somewhat better than "managing" within the EU and regardless of anyone's views on Brexit, we have voted for "the unknown".
Of course, life goes on and it wont be the end of the world but, IF things are worse on the "outside" and/or, we have another recession, what was the point ?
Was it to be captain of the Titanic ?, all of the passengers on there, set off on a journey of discovery, on an unsinkable ship.
Ultimately the decision, voted for by a small majority (of those who could be bothered to vote) was brought about by a few disaffected right wing politicians.
Lets just hope they were right and not just on some kind of power trip.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"The thing is that, we were doing somewhat better than "managing" within the EU and regardless of anyone's views on Brexit, we have voted for "the unknown".
Of course, life goes on and it wont be the end of the world but, IF things are worse on the "outside" and/or, we have another recession, what was the point ?
Was it to be captain of the Titanic ?, all of the passengers on there, set off on a journey of discovery, on an unsinkable ship.
Ultimately the decision, voted for by a small majority (of those who could be bothered to vote) was brought about by a few disaffected right wing politicians.
Lets just hope they were right and not just on some kind of power trip.'"
What if we are better off out? Why is that so unlikely? A large part of this country's success derived from our legal system, which is being eroded by EU membership. I ask you - if you think the USA would have become so rich and powerful if it had gone the French way rather than the British a few hundred years ago. What about Australia, Singapore, Hong Kong?
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| The election just got more interesting, the right wing press - Sun, Mail, etc laying into May saying she'll increase foreign aid, stop pensions increasing, tax the middle class, etc. I suppose they're trying to force her hand on policy but surely she can't do yet another U-turn and be considered a credible leader. Corbyn should get up North and S otland on the stump and on social media. He could win yet.
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| May has called the election mainly because she will win it. She as most people agree ,know that once brexit negotiations start things will become extremely unpleasant. So she has the luxury of five years to weather the storm.
It would be ironic if she won the election with a similar majority as she enjoys at the moment. It strikes me somewhat strange that she is being criticised for brexit as a Tory ,when it's the country as a whole that's instigated brexit.
I still think leaving the EU will be a disaster, Farrage, Johnson , Liam fox plus gove and several others must be hopeful that things go well. If things go pear shape the public and the popular press will absolutely tear into them.
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| We have 23 months left to negotiate leaving the European union, and she's decided to waste 2 of those months on an election when the Tories are already in power. To me, it shows that May and the rest couldn't give a toss about the people they're meant to serve.
It's been a shambles from the government so far. All they've done is reel out the soundbite about 'strong and stable leadership' (although, they've created a 5hit load of instability by calling this election), but they've not done much talking on policy,
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