One of the Bishops, he is a Bishop FFS, quoted in that article is the Bishop of Carlisle ...

"This is a strong and definite judgment because the world has been arrogant in going its own way," he said. "We are reaping the consequences of our moral degradation, as well as the environmental damage that we have caused. We are in serious moral trouble because every type of lifestyle is now regarded as legitimate"

I wonder if he ever comes into contact with the family of PC Bill Barker who was killed in the biblical flood of Workington in 2009 when all of the bridges in the town were swept into the sea, I wonder if he dares to explain to his widow what sort of morally degraded man her husband must have been to have been smitten by his God in this way.

Some people just need a slap around the face regardless of their self-awarded status.

Prove it.

These theistic scientists say they believe in god, many of them go to church and practice their faith in the same way as many other believers. On what basis can you possibly claim that these scientists don't really beleive in God.

It seems rather arrogant of you to suggest that because these scientists are willing to accept the vast amounts of evidence in favour off evolution and an earth which is 4.5 billion years old that they are any less of a believer than you or other christians who choose to reject scientific evidence which contradicts your doctrine.



The argument that you responded said that there are scientists who believe in God, here you are merely shifting the goalposts by asking him to name a scientist who is born again, despite the fact there was no claim regarding scientists being "born again" in his post.

Believing in God is not synonymous with being "born again", there are a large number of people who believe in god yet have never been "born again".

Are you for instance suggesting that Catholics do not believe in God as they are not "born again"?

Was just about to post that link. Disgusting. That these idiots are represented in our parliament is to our eternal discredit.

When hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans the French Quarter, an area popular with the gay community was effected relatively lightly compared with other parts of the city. The Non Prophets podcast frequently jokes that when there is an impending natural disaster, the gays should be moved to the area so they can protect it with their magical shield.

Watch the documentary I referred to earlier.

I blame the yanks and their newer interpretations.

Believing in God doesn't make you a Christian.



There is not vast amounts of evidence. They do not honestly believe in Jesus' sacrifice because they cannot properly believe in original sin.



Show me a scientist who has been born again? Again, being born again in Christ is different to simply being a deist.



Most aren't, sadly.

I never suggested anything of the sort. Why don't you address what I actually said regarding your dismissal of the beliefs of thiestic scientists rather than attacking a straw man.



They reject you particular interpretation of christiantity however they still consider themselves christians just as you consider yourself to be a christian.

As an atheist I'm not going to speak for these christians who interpret their religious beliefs however it is arrogant of you to suggest that christians who hold a different interpretation to you are not really christians when they consider themselves to be.

I do however have much more respect for those christians who are willing to evaluate their beliefs in the light of evidence than those whose interpretations of religious doctrine require will ignorance and abandonment of reason such as yourself.



Once again you fail to respond to the point that I actually made. You shifted the goalposts by asking for the poster you were responding to name a "born again" scientist when the point he made was that there are scientists who believe in god a point which you have failed to address despite responding to this point.

Either you lack basic reading comprehension skills or you are being deliberately disengenous with your response to Kosh's point regarding theistic scientists.

Hell's teeth: are we back to Kirkstaller grandstanding arrogantly about what a perfect little Christian he is and how everyone else isn't?

At least he's probably putting more people off religion than recruiting them.

Where have I 'grandstanded' anything?

I won't be talked down to by a fraud whose own parents probably hate them. You are working for Satan and thus I will not engage with you.

This Satan, is he the one who undid all of your god's work by introducing Lust and Virus's and other stuff that your god had never thought about during those seven days of hard graft ?

Again, not a straw man. I'm just saying that believing in God does not make you a Christian.



God does not consider them to be Christian. They think they know better than God, they deny his creation and they deny original sin. They do not by any definition come close to being Christian. Non=Christians have no authority on this matter.



Their beliefs are not supported by Scripture. They are not Christians.



Christians-lite, you mean?



Scientists believing in God is not relevant, though.

The Bible is clear that he encouraged us to sin, yes. He continues unto this day.

So he is the one who blind-sided your god within a few days of him creating the world and everything in it, apart from Lust, virus's and the Giants Causeway ?

Excellent, he sounds like he is the man, certainly a lot more clever than your god - where do I go to worship this Satan god then, the Catholic church ?

Please forgive my ignorance, these churches don't all follow the same god do they ?

I do believe that he has pervaded the RC church, yes. That would be a good place to start.



No, a lot of Christian sects say they worship the same God. Sadly, most have been deceived by Satan.

Why don't you worship this Satan god then, he seems to be much smarter than the God bloke you follow, in fact, with all due respect, it sounds like he's tied your God up in knots and left him for dead, how many days does the bible say it took Satan to undo all of your Gods good work ?

I'll ask around at our local RC church tomorrow, are all of their priests still kiddie-fiddlers, was it your God that told them to do that as well ?

Not that I'm a regular defender of RC clergy, but you're much more likely to be 'kiddie-felt' by non-religious, secular teachers than a priest of any denomination.

Satan didn't outsmart God, he just capitalised upon God's gift of Free Will.

Nope, you told us that he invented virus's, tiny little specks of life so small that you can't see them and yet each one is far, far smarter than any human that your god ever made and every time your god guides a man towards finding a "fix" for one of these Satan virus's, then the design that Satan made just goes and mutates them again, and back they come for another fight, just like the Zulus at Rorkes Drift.

I'll give you Kudos for the Rourke's Drift citation. However, it doesn't mean that Satan is smarter than God. Sin (and Satan's real power) only entered the world [iafter[/i the creation.

We are slaves to sin and cannot resolve every problem we face, including disease. All we can do is place our faith in Jesus.

Religion is a terrifying thing. It always amazes me how brainwashed some people are. It's easy to see how people can be convinced to do terrible acts in the name of religion

Indeed, you seem to be in agreement with me that this satan has so far managed to outfox your god at every opportunity by inventing things that your god cannot reverse, clever bloke.

What does this satan look like anyway, in all of the paintings I've seen of him he looks a bit swarthy, is that correct ?

You have to take what you can get in the current climate. He offers a kick-ass pension plan, too.

Possibly not. It does, however, make mincemeat out of your argument that all Scientists carry baggage because they have 'removed God'. No wonder you're flailing around attempting to change the argument.

Enough.