What's your problem with that?

I think you will find the discussion is about Luxemburg. Not the uk.

Why? He is a serial liar who physically & mentally abuses women.

So why would Luxembourg resent UK commiting suicide? You don't think they are rich also because they are at the heart of the EU trading with the biggest trading block in the world, part of Benelux, & have hugely diversified from their original coal & steel industrial base? Half of Luxembourg residents are not Luxembourgers; they don't have the nasty racist, xenophobia of our cold, wet island; they all speak several languages. Beautiful place.

As usual when ever you see a post not to your liking ,you resort to your usual outpouring of vitriol. I don’t doubt for one moment Johnson is a liar. Most politicians are especially Corbyn, my point was he was treated disrespectfully. I would have expressed the same opinion if Corbyn had suffered the same fate. You obviously have a hatred of this country, having lived in various countries around the world I may have a different aspect to you. If I felt as bitter as you I would be out of the country pretty damn quick. Suggest west coast of Ireland, New Zealand, Canada, Panama.

The discussion is surely about Luxembourg treatment of Boris and how this relates to Brexit ??

Show me all the many examples.

The usual response of the right wing. I would have put my mortgage on you suggesting that. Hopefully we'll be off soon. Have you thought of the southern states of the USofA? You'd be at home there.

Many examples? Biggest one of all ,Blair weapons of mass destruction . Brown I will abolish boom and bust. Corbyn, I absolutely never met the IRA, friends of Middle East terror groups not me I just happened to be sharing a platform with them. Mandelson, creativity use of filling in mortgage application form. Southern states of USA, wonderful,I have traveled extensively in the south, Nashville is superb, especially the country and western bars . New Orleans the French quarter for jazz. Keep away from bourbon street, that’s awful . I admire your naivety in the hope that Corbyn and the rest of his cohorts can change your life. I gave up on all political parties years ago. I look upon all parties and witness a sea of mediocrity and incompetence. The majority of them wouldn’t gain employment outside politics.

I asked you about the many examples of Corbyn lying. You have produced no evidence of him meeting the IRA. It is well-documented he met Sinn Fein & Adams in particular. You might be confusing him with the Thatcher Government who regularly met the IRA.
You seem to be confusing me with a Labour voter/member. I am generally neither.

I don’t presume to guess which party you support or even vote for. My original comment was agreeing with you that Johnson was guilty of lying. I merely asked in the interest of balance and fairness you highlighted Corbyns lies. You however constantly verbally abuse anybody who come on here with a view different to yours. Sadly it’s the usual platitudes, racist, xenophobia, gammon etc etc. I wasn’t being flippant regarding you leaving the country, you seem to have a palpable hatred of this country and sections of it. There must be some country that may make you happy. Some of the best times if my life with my family was the west coast of Ireland, in particular west cork.wonderful people. It would do you the world of good out in cork might get rid of that bile and hatred in your system. Hopefully.

Christ have we inadvertently plugged this thread into a live feed from Paul Staines? That post about Luxembourg was a classic. Admits total ignorance of who their leader is then reels off a series of, let's be polite, incorrect assertions.

The Brexiteers on this thread aren't doing much to change that apparently unfair view that they are one tackle short of a full set.

Can any of you please discuss stuff rationally without injecting bile about foreigners or questioning other posters patriotism? it really can't be that hard can it.

To be fair if Jean Claude Juncker had visited Downing St and they set up a press conference just 10 metres from a jeering and booing anti-EU mob, I'd take great satisfaction in name-calling when he inevitably chose not to participate in said press conference. That's if Juncker was sober enough to speak in the first place.



Xavier Bettel's belittling attitude personified everything about the sneering arrogance of the EU. They just can't help themselves - I've said it many times on here, the attitude and words of EU leaders went a long way to securing my Leave vote.

They could have moved the press conference or moved the mob, but instead - at a crucial time in UK-EU relations - they deliberately chose to ambush Johnson: if he speaks he gets shouted down by the mob, which has a terrible impact on TV channels around the world. If he walks away they gleefully deride him. He had no choice but to opt for the lesser of two bad options. All these events are planned to the nth degree with backup plans for various eventualities but oh no, they allowed the PM to walk into a no-win situation despite a request to move the press conference.

But yep, enjoy the moment, a few cheap points for you lapdog Europhiles, that actually achieve nothing more than to demonstrate the arrogance of the EU and strengthen the resolve of the Leave movement. You think Johnson is more or less inclined to play nicely right now?

Yeah, but have they won 1 world cup and 2 world wars?

Do you think that "playing nicely" was ever on the agenda, especially under Boris ??
They guy has no intention of getting a deal and never did have, both sides are just laying the ground for the post Brexit "no deal" blame game.

Brexiteers really are the world's biggest snowflakes.

So Labours "new" policy is to let the people decide ??
No "leadership" from Corbyn, who remains super glued to the fence.

Their share of the vote could disappear into the ether as many of the electorate will be voting for a party that is "in" or "out".
If the Tories and Brexit party make any kind of election pact, something the Tories have said they wont do, Labour will be obliterated.

In trying not to alienate anyone, Labour are alienating everyone.

Of course they dont wat to be seen going against the referendum result, when they have said for 3 years that they want to honour the vote but, having been demoted to 4th place in the recent EU elections, they could be in serious danger of losing further ground.

Corbyn had to pick a side and commit to it, instead, despite their "clear" policy, they have carried on, trying to hedge their bets.

But you haven't given many, or any, examples of Corbyn lying. I am not a great fan but do think he is a honourable man who has committed his life to helping the oppressed; despite the obvious vilification that accompanies that.
I don't think I have done much verbal abuse recently; in fact I thought I was restrained.
I certainly don't hate this country; but there are certain elements of it that I do. I have worked hard all my life to try & make it a better palce. However I have reached the stage where I have almost given up on England. If things stay as they are, or likely worsen, we will leave England. I have been to Ireland several times, including Cork. I agree it is a fantastic place.

That is word for word my overall opinion too. I believe he is a decent man and exactly the type of socialist that needs to be on the backbenches keeping Labour honest when they are inhabiting the centre ground. But this country desperately needs a potent opposition and he just doesn't have what it takes to lead. Particularly at this time of unprecedented turmoil where he is torn between his longstanding ideological mistrust of the EU, and what deep down he knows is best for the people he represents. He can't be the effective leader Labour needs because his head must be mush trying to process that conflict.

Well said, sir.

I believe that his intentions, generally are good but, probably because he is so torn, personally, on the issue of Brexit, he is just not leading the party and it will cost them severely when the inevitable election comes around.
Far more effective from the backbench than as leader.
Mind you, with the influence of the Unions in leadership contests, the situation is unlikely to change anytime soon.
Their choices of leader since Blair have been poor.

Yes, the country needs someone to lead them into an illegal war rather than fight for justice, peace, sustainability, workers' rights.....

The dilemma for those that lean left is that seemingly Labour has to adopt a very centre-left position to be able to win enough hearts and minds to have an election victory. Blair in 1997 for example. It appears that for many socialists this is repugnant and Blair is perceived by them as "Tory-lite", a war criminal or both.

That's versus the more traditional left-wing ideals of social justice and all that entails which I believe will struggle to garner enough support to form a majority government. Do people on the left want to be in power and able to affect some change, however diluted. Or do they want to remain firm to their socialist principles and possibly not be elected to enact them. I'm not a Labour voter but I recognise their importance and it pains me to see this almost existentialist conflict about what they are meant to be and what they can pragmatically achieve.

I didn't mention Brexit so I'm off-topic. I'll just say Bercow for Prime Minister and it'll be ok.

Good leaders are not always right but, they have the ability to unite and fight for the common good.
Although there is no doubt whatsoever that we should have gone to war, equally, there is no doubt that, if/when the USA ask us again in the future, we will make exactly the same choice.
Such is our need for them to defend us if/when we are in need, the cost of this is that we have to dance and sing when the political music starts.

Blair understood that, you can have all the ideals and principles that you want but, if you dont hold the reigns, you cannot actually drive the stagecoach.
Yes, he had to sacrifice certain principals but, at least once in power, he was able to improve the lives of millions of UK residents.
This cant be done whilst looking on from the sidelines.

I must have missed the improvements made by Labour under Blurgh and Brown...

That won't come as a surprise to anyone.

Because there weren't any.