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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"No I don't but whilst people will go and work there these practises will continue - they will only improve if Ashley and his like cannot attract anyone to work there. Wages increase because of movement of people not inflation. How often do you have to pay more to replace a member of your team when they leave?
Don't blame the employer for paying as little as they can get away with - that is their job.'"
More utter bilge.
Every employer is governed by employment legislation and he (and any other employers riding roughshod over the law) should be properly dealt with.
To answer your second question.
It's usually worth paying a little bit more to get a "better" employee.
Decent attendance, decent standard of work and above all, trustworthiness and if you reward them properly, they will in turn, work hard and probably remain loyal.
The Mike Ashley style is to treat all workers as dispensable (a bit like the slaves and convicts that built the American railroads).
We keep getting back to your opinion that those in charge of the Country or in business should be allowed to do as they please, happy for them to break the law if it's for personal gain, either by avoiding their tax liabilities, under paying staff, claiming bogus expenses, employing illegal immigrants etc, etc
Maybe you are working on reverse psycology and you really want people to vote for Corbyn ! |
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"More utter bilge.
Every employer is governed by employment legislation and he (and any other employers riding roughshod over the law) should be properly dealt with.
To answer your second question.
It's usually worth paying a little bit more to get a "better" employee.
Decent attendance, decent standard of work and above all, trustworthiness and if you reward them properly, they will in turn, work hard and probably remain loyal.
The Mike Ashley style is to treat all workers as dispensable (a bit like the slaves and convicts that built the American railroads).
We keep getting back to your opinion that those in charge of the Country or in business should be allowed to do as they please, happy for them to break the law if it's for personal gain, either by avoiding their tax liabilities, under paying staff, claiming bogus expenses, employing illegal immigrants etc, etc
Maybe you are working on reverse psycology and you really want people to vote for Corbyn !'"
Business has the duty to get the best value it can extract from its employees it doesn't mean that you have to pay the lowest wages. It doesn't also mean you have to over pay either to get the best people.
The people that work/worked for Ashley are nothing like slaves and you know it - they can leave whenever they want its easy just walk out - nobody is going to shoot you.
Where have I ever said its OK to employee illegals, claiming bogus expenses - stop making things up
What I think is this - remuneration should be in line with the value add you bring to the organisation. Tax avoidance is a legal position if you don't like it change the law but you cannot do it in isolation - don't be naïve.
Most businesses don't mind paying CT provided its set at a reasonable level - why do you think the likes of Apple have an Irish HQ because they don't believe its correct to pay 35% of their profits to support inefficient government departments. If Labour put CT up to 26% they will get diminishing returns |
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Quote ="Sal Paradise"Business has the duty to get the best value it can extract from its employees it doesn't mean that you have to pay the lowest wages. It doesn't also mean you have to over pay either to get the best people.
The people that work/worked for Ashley are nothing like slaves and you know it - they can leave whenever they want its easy just walk out - nobody is going to shoot you.
Where have I ever said its OK to employee illegals, claiming bogus expenses - stop making things up
What I think is this - remuneration should be in line with the value add you bring to the organisation. Tax avoidance is a legal position if you don't like it change the law but you cannot do it in isolation - don't be naïve.
Most businesses don't mind paying CT provided its set at a reasonable level - why do you think the likes of Apple have an Irish HQ because they don't believe its correct to pay 35% of their profits to support inefficient government departments. If Labour put CT up to 26% they will get diminishing returns'"
Hang on Tory boy
You said it was ok for Ashley to pay BELOW the LEGAL MINIMUM WAGE and justified this by saying that it was because there were too many people for the number of jobs available, inferring that this made the employees disponible.
Sorry pal but, this is just not acceptable.
Its the MINIMUM wage FFS not a guideline
As for his employees not being slaves, of course you are right.
However, some of the draconian employment practices ie not allowing people time off for medical reasons.
Even the committee of MP's said that some of his staff were not being treated as humans?:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-de ... e-36855374
You are just in denial and its an unpleasant trait for someone to have in light of this particular company and to defend them is disgraceful but, carry on.
After all it's a free country.
As for tax avoidance, again, great.
Mrs May has form of threatening to crack down on some of those companies but, as with most of her "form" her plans have yet to materialise:
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/s ... n-10468062
I assume that you want the authorities to clamp down on benefit "cheats" but you are happy for those at the top of the food chain to please themselves, because "it's legal".
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Quote ="Sal Paradise"Business has the duty to get the best value it can extract from its employees it doesn't mean that you have to pay the lowest wages. It doesn't also mean you have to over pay either to get the best people.
The people that work/worked for Ashley are nothing like slaves and you know it - they can leave whenever they want its easy just walk out - nobody is going to shoot you.
Where have I ever said its OK to employee illegals, claiming bogus expenses - stop making things up
What I think is this - remuneration should be in line with the value add you bring to the organisation. Tax avoidance is a legal position if you don't like it change the law but you cannot do it in isolation - don't be naïve.
Most businesses don't mind paying CT provided its set at a reasonable level - why do you think the likes of Apple have an Irish HQ because they don't believe its correct to pay 35% of their profits to support inefficient government departments. If Labour put CT up to 26% they will get diminishing returns'"
Hang on Tory boy
You said it was ok for Ashley to pay BELOW the LEGAL MINIMUM WAGE and justified this by saying that it was because there were too many people for the number of jobs available, inferring that this made the employees disponible.
Sorry pal but, this is just not acceptable.
Its the MINIMUM wage FFS not a guideline
As for his employees not being slaves, of course you are right.
However, some of the draconian employment practices ie not allowing people time off for medical reasons.
Even the committee of MP's said that some of his staff were not being treated as humans?:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-de ... e-36855374
You are just in denial and its an unpleasant trait for someone to have in light of this particular company and to defend them is disgraceful but, carry on.
After all it's a free country.
As for tax avoidance, again, great.
Mrs May has form of threatening to crack down on some of those companies but, as with most of her "form" her plans have yet to materialise:
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/s ... n-10468062
I assume that you want the authorities to clamp down on benefit "cheats" but you are happy for those at the top of the food chain to please themselves, because "it's legal".
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How very philanthropic of them - while they benefit from education, infrastructure and the welfare system to subsidise the low wages of many employees; it's nice that they 'don't mind' paying CT.
Meanwhile - the average poll ratings this weekend show that the Tory lead is down to single figures, and Labour have had another excellent week, with the Tory manifesto putting off even their own traditional voters, containing a £40bn black hole that even Andrew Marr couldn't ignore; and John McDonnel absolutely destroying the bumbling Damian Green over his own multi million pound windfall off the back of water privatisation. And to top it off, Jeremy Corbyn, The Libertines warm-up act, announces this morning that student fees for those kids starting Uni this September will be cancelled - which is likely to create an even bigger surge in young people registering to vote before today's deadline.
The fear of the establishment is writ large in a weekend of smears about 'supporting' the IRA, despite him clearly saying nothing of the sort.
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| Quote ="bren2k"How very philanthropic of them - while they benefit from education, infrastructure and the welfare system to subsidise the low wages of many employees; it's nice that they 'don't mind' paying CT.
Meanwhile - the average poll ratings this weekend show that the Tory lead is down to single figures, and Labour have had another excellent week, with the Tory manifesto putting off even their own traditional voters, containing a £40bn black hole that even Andrew Marr couldn't ignore; and John McDonnel absolutely destroying the bumbling Damian Green over his own multi million pound windfall off the back of water privatisation. And to top it off, Jeremy Corbyn, The Libertines warm-up act, announces this morning that student fees for those kids starting Uni this September will be cancelled - which is likely to create an even bigger surge in young people registering to vote before today's deadline.
The fear of the establishment is writ large in a weekend of smears about 'supporting' the IRA, despite him clearly saying nothing of the sort.
Game on...?'"
Spot on Bren. You can always tell when the establishment is worried about something. The ridiculous smears start. Whether it's the attacks on Milliband's dad, or Corbyn being described as weak or a pacifist for not wanting to destroy all life on the planet, or suggesting that maybe we talk to people who's country we've invaded rather than shoot them.
The latest demand of him is that he should say that the IRA [ialone[/i were the cause of the troubles and deaths in Northern Ireland. Which for anyone over the age of 5 is a plainly ludicrous position to hold. |
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Quote ="wrencat1873"Hang on Tory boy
You said it was ok for Ashley to pay BELOW the LEGAL MINIMUM WAGE and justified this by saying that it was because there were too many people for the number of jobs available, inferring that this made the employees disponible.
Sorry pal but, this is just not acceptable.
Its the MINIMUM wage FFS not a guideline
As for his employees not being slaves, of course you are right.
However, some of the draconian employment practices ie not allowing people time off for medical reasons.
Even the committee of MP's said that some of his staff were not being treated as humans?:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-de ... e-36855374
You are just in denial and its an unpleasant trait for someone to have in light of this particular company and to defend them is disgraceful but, carry on.
After all it's a free country.
As for tax avoidance, again, great.
Mrs May has form of threatening to crack down on some of those companies but, as with most of her "form" her plans have yet to materialise:
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/s ... n-10468062
I assume that you want the authorities to clamp down on benefit "cheats" but you are happy for those at the top of the food chain to please themselves, because "it's legal".
No hypocrisy there then
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Where have I said that benefit cheats should be clamped down on?
If Ashley is not paying the legal minimum wage that is out of order - and he should be dealt with accordingly. Nobody forced these people to work for Ashley there are plenty of jobs in RDCs in that area and that seems to be a something you are struggling to accept. If nobody was willing to work for Ashley guess what T&Cs would have to change.
You can't go - on the one hand its a legal requirement to pay the minimum wage but its not OK to follow the law in terms of paying tax because you earn a lot of money - you can't have it both ways. Is that not in your words hypocritical |
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Quote ="wrencat1873"Hang on Tory boy
You said it was ok for Ashley to pay BELOW the LEGAL MINIMUM WAGE and justified this by saying that it was because there were too many people for the number of jobs available, inferring that this made the employees disponible.
Sorry pal but, this is just not acceptable.
Its the MINIMUM wage FFS not a guideline
As for his employees not being slaves, of course you are right.
However, some of the draconian employment practices ie not allowing people time off for medical reasons.
Even the committee of MP's said that some of his staff were not being treated as humans?:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-de ... e-36855374
You are just in denial and its an unpleasant trait for someone to have in light of this particular company and to defend them is disgraceful but, carry on.
After all it's a free country.
As for tax avoidance, again, great.
Mrs May has form of threatening to crack down on some of those companies but, as with most of her "form" her plans have yet to materialise:
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/s ... n-10468062
I assume that you want the authorities to clamp down on benefit "cheats" but you are happy for those at the top of the food chain to please themselves, because "it's legal".
No hypocrisy there then
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Where have I said that benefit cheats should be clamped down on?
If Ashley is not paying the legal minimum wage that is out of order - and he should be dealt with accordingly. Nobody forced these people to work for Ashley there are plenty of jobs in RDCs in that area and that seems to be a something you are struggling to accept. If nobody was willing to work for Ashley guess what T&Cs would have to change.
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Meanwhile - the average poll ratings this weekend show that the Tory lead is down to single figures, and Labour have had another excellent week, with the Tory manifesto putting off even their own traditional voters, containing a £40bn black hole that even Andrew Marr couldn't ignore; and John McDonnel absolutely destroying the bumbling Damian Green over his own multi million pound windfall off the back of water privatisation. And to top it off, Jeremy Corbyn, The Libertines warm-up act, announces this morning that student fees for those kids starting Uni this September will be cancelled - which is likely to create an even bigger surge in young people registering to vote before today's deadline.
The fear of the establishment is writ large in a weekend of smears about 'supporting' the IRA, despite him clearly saying nothing of the sort.
Game on...?'"
Labour are gaining and the Tories need to get a grip or they will lose - problem for the Tories is the campaign is about May and as soon as they let other MPs out into the public they don't perform because they are not engaged. We haven't seen Hammond this whole campaign.
I would agree the Tories have shot themselves in the foot with not costing their promises - that is just arrogant thinking this was a foregone conclusion. Labour's proposed spending plans are madness and not deliverable. |
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Labour are gaining and the Tories need to get a grip or they will lose - problem for the Tories is the campaign is about May and as soon as they let other MPs out into the public they don't perform because they are not engaged. We haven't seen Hammond this whole campaign.
I would agree the Tories have shot themselves in the foot with not costing their promises - that is just arrogant thinking this was a foregone conclusion. Labour's proposed spending plans are madness and not deliverable.'"
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You mean the spending plans that have been fully costed?
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A very different economy for sure, but by no means undeliverable.'"
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Looks like a major u turn/ climb down by may regarding paying for social care. It's made her look extremely weak, soon as she announced this proposal last week it had disaster stamped all over it.
Hope she performs better than this when brexit negotiations start.
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| Quote ="DGM"I assume Sal has himself done a full costing of Labour's manifesto to be able to describe it as "not deliverable" and "madness".'"
It probably went something like this.
1 +1 = 2 but Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour party wrote this so the answer can't be right. This isn't deliverable!! |
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It would appear that Sal is the type of Tory voter that the tax-dodging Lynton Crosby and Mrs May thought they could rely on to see them home; repeat the hypnotic 'strong and stable' line as many times as possible, avoid the general public, focus on Brexit, and deliver a manifesto with few policies and no costs - because Mr Corbyn is unelectable, so a landslide is virtually guaranteed.
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"Looks like a major u turn/ climb down by may regarding paying for social care. It's made her look extremely weak, soon as she announced this proposal last week it had disaster stamped all over it.
Hope she performs better than this when brexit negotiations start.'"
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She is known as Submarine May for a reason. She sits on the fence until she sees which way to jump to be on the winning side. When she actually has to commit to something the facade collapses.
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Staggering arrogance, that could well backfire spectacularly.'"
I see the Tories as the lesser of two evils - they are all as bad as each other
Angela Rayner was on this morning in the same sentence said the removal of tuition fees would be £9bn and then said it would be £11.2bn which is it?
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The tax imposed on the British public is nearing an all time record. students pay hefty fees for university and social care cost are being paid by the elderly. Yet we are as a nation still year on year accumulating debt.
Looks like a lot of money is wasted. Also the often used phrase governments money is being used. The government has no money its the taxpayers money.
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It's actually quite incredible that they've managed to shoot themselves in the foot so badly with this social care policy. This election was pretty much unloseable for them until then. Is someone from Warrington running their campaign or something?
Be interesting to see what the surge of young voters registering means, difficult to tell with just raw numbers. Could easily just be pushing the Labour vote up further in safe areas like London, Manchester and Leeds but if it's spread out nicely then it could get interesting, particularly now the Tories have annoyed their base.
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Angela Rayner was on this morning in the same sentence said the removal of tuition fees would be £9bn and then said it would be £11.2bn which is it?
Labour have just missed out the cost of re-nationalising all those industries - I wonder why!!'"
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Where have I said that benefit cheats should be clamped down on?
If Ashley is not paying the legal minimum wage that is out of order - and he should be dealt with accordingly. Nobody forced these people to work for Ashley there are plenty of jobs in RDCs in that area and that seems to be a something you are struggling to accept. If nobody was willing to work for Ashley guess what T&Cs would have to change.
You can't go - on the one hand its a legal requirement to pay the minimum wage but its not OK to follow the law in terms of paying tax because you earn a lot of money - you can't have it both ways. Is that not in your words hypocritical
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Are you related to T.MAy as there is one hell of a U turn in there.
You originally said that it was ok for Ashley to pay below the minimum wage and he could do so because of the significant numbers who wanted to work there.
Now you are agreeing with me and saying that IF he was paying below the minimum wage, he should be dealt with.
Tax avoidance/evasion may be legal, if you have clever accountants but it's basically immoral.
Perhaps if everyone was prepared to pay "their share", there would be enough in "the pot" to fund the NHS properly and perhaps then, the Tory press wouldnt have to peddle so many lies and blame the NHS failings on immigration.  |
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