It's a false equivalence akin to saying people died under both Stalin and Harold Macmillan. History will not speak of the exaggerations of the remain camp and the litany of lies of the leave camp in the same breath.

It wasn't meant to be a link as it was a related but different stat. As I like my job I am not going to google a link, but look at <rainn.org>

and so, yet again, the usual suspects take the ill informed high ground, RIP Sin Bin, there is no debate, just bullies & brow beating.

It's this kind of excessively dramatic behaviour that led to MitchGarbett being banned and we wouldn't want the same to happen to you mate. If you disagree with something why not counter it with your own opinion.

Whoopsy. You inadvertently revealed your inner Tommy Robinson by mistake on a public forum.

If you are going to play with the adults you should try & behave like one.

No just stating fact - so on the Sin Bin negative comments about actual Asian behaviour is now racist?

I also mentioned all the killings in London involving black gangs - is that also racist?

Can we only make comment about whiteys doing bad things? Mostly related to a country awash with drugs and weapons - which I have also mentioned - is that racist too?

Next we all have to follow you lot in Jeremy's mantra - no bad words about the Palestinians!!

Just changing the subject slightly.
Driving accross the M62 today their are notices, suggesting that new paperwork "may" be needed for exporters to the EU from first of November.
However, NOBODY knows what this may actually be or whether we will actually be out of the EU by then.
It's like the letters advising businesses to be ready ??

How can you be ready for the absolute unknown

It's all about balance, which you are not giving but you are happy to "cherry pick" a certain group to fit your own agenda, much as the Tory rags do.
Nobody is denying some of what you say but, not all of the bad stuff in the world is down to ethnic groups or immigrants is it ??

Where are the notices, any idea who put them up?

The one that I saw today was on one of the new smart motorway information signs, which is strange as they are supposed to inform about traffic issues and not Tory propaganda.

Not sure it's propoganda for Highways England / DVLA to be informing freight drivers that leaving the EU wil.result in changes to paperwork required?

No, but you raised something to do with Asian behaviour on a thread to do with Brexit. It has nothing to do with it but we can guess what links you are making in your head.

How very odd. I've never voted for Labour in my life and am unlikely to start now.

We can at least acknowledge that the racist fuelled hysteria about Asian grooming gangs is a convenient proxy for a certain ideology? And like the last racist who brought it up on here, you will utterly fail to engage with the statistic that I provided - because it's an inconvenient truth.

Again - child sex offences are abhorrent; 90% of them are committed by white men.

IF we were definitely leaving then and anyone had the faintest idea on what terms we were going to leave, these signs MAY be useful ut, right now, NOBODY has got a clue, therefore, they are a waste of time, effort and money.

in your opinion, which is somewhat jaundiced.

Are you saying that grooming gangs have nothing to do with Islam - the respect for women in that culture? Its just a load of rogue men that just happen by chance to be all Asian that follow the Koran? You are deflecting away from what is a despicable act by suggesting anyone who brings it up has an agenda.

Completely agree re the stats, these men are evil to the core and if caught need to be dealt with in the most severe way. - incest is an always will be around - if you believe the Bible - I don't myself - it is the foundation of the human race. Incest is by far the greatest cause of child sex offences, how much is actually reported?

That wasn't the argument was it - it was that the referendum has increased the levels of hate crime, that would infer that crimes against other Europeans has increased. The point I was making is that it may have had a short term impact 3 years ago but now its minimal. Far more LBGT hate crime than that against EU citizens resident in the UK.

No, I absolutely am not saying that, as would be evident to anyone who read the actual words I had typed.

What I'm very definitely saying is that 90% of child sexual offences are committed by white men, and that therefore, the outrage about the relatively small number of child sexual offences committed by Asian men, is disproportionate and is fuelled by racism and intolerance - because the ethnicity of the offender is a useful proxy for the agendas of Stephen Yaxley Lennon and his dim-witted disciples.

For example, there has been child sexual abuse on an industrial scale in the Catholic church, for decades; I don't see any organised protests against the Catholic church, or a call for that religion to be outlawed, or for its members to be deported or barred entry. Equally, the Far Right has its fair share of nonces - again, I see no condemnation from people like you about that.

Do you get it now?

The hate crime that we see now is all part of the same narrative, that it is ok to prejudice minority groups., either on race, colour, creed etc, etc.
Propagated by the "leader of the western world, Donald Trump and followed by his disciples, like Farage and his ilk.
You tried to deflect the increase in hate crimes by throwing grooming gangs into the pot and although nobody is saying that they dont happen or, trying to underplay what goes on, you seem to wish to steer the attention from the right wing, white males that are largely in "control" of our country-
Let us not forget Mr Johnsons own language "ninjah's" and "letterbox's" isn't the most appropriate language for our Prime Minister to use and is less than helpful in a multicultural society.

I think there has been significant protests against the Catholic church - plenty of people would like to see a more appropriate response from the Vatican. Like Islam in its strongholds the Catholic Church wields enormous power that belittles mere governments and as such seem above the law.

I suppose the far left is nonce free?

So are you now saying hate crime is due to Donald Trump and in reality has nothing to do with the referendum

No, I'm saying that the likes of Trump, Farage etc are contributing to the society that we all live in and not in a positive manner.
Although there has always been racism and always will be, the rhetoric and anti immigration used by Farage & co during the referendum help legitimise certain elements in this country into thinking that it was ok to single out people with different skin colour or foreign accents and having Boris over here and Trump in the states, with their own "white first" views perpetuates the situation, you can also chuck social media into the pot, which makes it all too easy for people to voice their racist viewpoints, something that just wasn't around previously.

I see Sal has skilfully deflected the conversation into (unsavoury) far right talking points and away from the stuff he wasn't able to answer about the detail of our trading relationship with Europe.

We have discussed this endlessly you think there will be queues everywhere because "you are in the business" I disagree because evidence suggests plenty of product from outside of the EU flows seamlessly into the EU so why should that change because the product is either flowing in or out of the UK. Even the bossman at Dover has seen significant changes and doesn't see the same level of disruption as was forecast.

Ireland is an island and as such there are limited amounts of goods that can leave the country - it all has to go by sea.

You know best - you tell us why it is going to be so bad.

Once again Sal, I dont know where to start here.

Ireland, which currently has an open border between the North and the South, allows products and services to move tariff free between the 2 "halves" of the island, would become a smugglers paradise.
On the basis that the North is part of the UK and goods have to be able to move freely between all parts of the same country, what would prevent companies over there importing heaps of goods to eventually find their way into the EU.
If they can move from the UK mainland to the north and then from N. Ireland into Eire tariff free, what will prevent said goods moving from Eire to the EU.
Where do you suggest that the customs checks take place.

On the basis that "everyone" has said that they will honour the "good Friday agreement", which prevents a hard border between the North and South of Ireland, just how will this prevent goods, services and people moving around freely.

You rightly say the Ireland is an island but if there is a free gateway from UK-N.Ireland-Eire-EU and the same in reverse, at which point to you want the physical checks to take place ?

Finally, where on earth would your "limits" come into force ?

To ensure that taxes etc are taken correctly, you would have to ether trade based on "trust" or have some physical controls and if there were tax/tariff benefits in either direction, there will be plenty of people / businesses ready to exploit any "loopholes"