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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"
I think many or even most people in Northern Ireland would be happy for us to draw the EU line up the middle of the Irish Sea as long as they also remain part of the UK. The amount of capital and investment which would flow to Belfast would make them an economic powerhouse almost overnight.'"
It's not as if it is new. There are already checks in place on animals & animal derived products going to NI from the mainland.
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| Quote ="IR80"You mean REPORTED hate crimes, and if you believe you can attribute that to tje EU referendum you are borrowing straws to clutch at.
Remoaners will turn any statistic to their cause. I wanted to remain, we have voted leave, people need to deal with it, just as I'll have to deal with it if Labour win a GE again in my lifetime.'"
Ah, right ?
So with a referendum based largely on "too much immigration" had zero effect on hate crime. Wow, just wow.
No straw clutching from me but, utter denial from you.
Have you not noticed Boris' key "election" pledge of recruiting 18,000 more police officers, maybe this was because he thought thet the uniform looked smart and in no way a response to increasing crime of all types, perhaps this is another sign of the safer streets that we all live on
I dont care what you voted, it doesn't seem to have stopped you being wrong on the issue of crime.
Mind you it was interesting to hear on of the most senior police officers yesterday, saying that, taking account of the policemen/women that are expected to leave the force in the next 3 years, coupled with the drive to recruit 18,000 new officers, they would need around 500,000 applicants.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Ah, right ?
So with a referendum based largely on "too much immigration" had zero effect on hate crime. Wow, just wow.
No straw clutching from me but, utter denial from you.
Have you not noticed Boris' key "election" pledge of recruiting 18,000 more police officers, maybe this was because he thought thet the uniform looked smart and in no way a response to increasing crime of all types, perhaps this is another sign of the safer streets that we all live on
I dont care what you voted, it doesn't seem to have stopped you being wrong on the issue of crime.
Mind you it was interesting to hear on of the most senior police officers yesterday, saying that, taking account of the policemen/women that are expected to leave the force in the next 3 years, coupled with the drive to recruit 18,000 new officers, they would need around 500,000 applicants.'"
Yes I think that must be about the most absurd a statement as I've read from a quitling. What their side of the debate simply cannot cope with is that the billboards, negative messages from the leave campaign and everything since has normalised hate. People who have always had vile views about race, sexuality and just about any other characteristic, realised they could now give voice to it. And once they'd stopped swallowing down the hate they found they couldn't stop spewing it. These Neanderthals even occasionally gift wrap the hate by adding a slogan such as "We voted OUT" whilst harassing the polish couple. But then I suppose that's not a reference to the referendum. It must be about the Hokey Cokey or something.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"Yes I think that must be about the most absurd a statement as I've read from a quitling. What their side of the debate simply cannot cope with is that the billboards, negative messages from the leave campaign and everything since has normalised hate. People who have always had vile views about race, sexuality and just about any other characteristic, realised they could now give voice to it. And once they'd stopped swallowing down the hate they found they couldn't stop spewing it. These Neanderthals even occasionally gift wrap the hate by adding a slogan such as "We voted OUT" whilst harassing the polish couple. But then I suppose that's not a reference to the referendum. It must be about the Hokey Cokey or something.'"
Nah, apparently it's just reporting that has increased, with the actual figures coming down
I know that social media can distort all issues and that most things, especially that which is on line, need tempering.
However, there is absolutely no doubt that the polarised views which so many people now hold, have caused irrevocable damage to society.
And it doesnt help that those demanding that the UK pass it's own laws and give control to Parliament, then chose to close down the institution that they "value" so much.
Self serving hypocrites the lot of em.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"Yes I think that must be about the most absurd a statement as I've read from a quitling. What their side of the debate simply cannot cope with is that the billboards, negative messages from the leave campaign and everything since has normalised hate. People who have always had vile views about race, sexuality and just about any other characteristic, realised they could now give voice to it. And once they'd stopped swallowing down the hate they found they couldn't stop spewing it. These Neanderthals even occasionally gift wrap the hate by adding a slogan such as "We voted OUT" whilst harassing the polish couple. But then I suppose that's not a reference to the referendum. It must be about the Hokey Cokey or something.'"
a quitling that voted remain?
you really are not very bright.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Have you not noticed Boris' key "election" pledge of recruiting 18,000 more police officers'"
In tribute to the departing John Bercow - point of order; it's not 18k *more* police officers - it's 18k of the 20k officers his government has already cut.
I fear the honourable gentleman may have inadvertently misled the house.
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| Quote ="bren2k"In tribute to the departing John Bercow - point of order; it's not 18k *more* police officers - it's 18k of the 20k officers his government has already cut.
I fear the honourable gentleman may have inadvertently misled the house.'"
I'm well aware of that Bren.
Quite increddible that just a few short months ago, the Tories were trying to tell us that the reduction in police numbers had nothing to do with escalating crime figures and that it was because "we" now needed a different style of policing and it was nothing to do with austerity cuts.
Lies, lies, lies.
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| Quote ="IR80"a quitling that voted remain?'"
The grown ups were chatting about you cheekychops. And there's not a chance in hell you voted remain.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"The grown ups were chatting about you cheekychops. And there's not a chance in hell you voted remain.'"
You are wrong, I voted remain, have commented as much all along, but I believe in democracy, the majprity voted to leave.
You can attempt to be condescending all you want, I will just laugh. Opinions only count when offered by someone whom you respect, afterall.
"A condescending person tends to have some control issues, insecurities and emotional baggage. They deal with this by inappropriately projecting the persona of a parent or authority figure onto other who, in the eues of any reasonable person, would have as much agency, indepemdencs and personal power as they do."
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| Quote ="IR80"You are wrong, I voted remain.'"
No you didn't. The remainer who "believes in democracy" / "just wants to get on with it" is a fictional construct of brexiters. It's an unsubtle attempt to artificially inflate the level of support in society for leaving the EU.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"No you didn't. The remainer who "believes in democracy" / "just wants to get on with it" is a fictional construct of brexiters. It's an unsubtle attempt to artificially inflate the level of support in society for leaving the EU.'"
more nonsense...
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A condescending person tends to have some control issues, insecurities and emotional baggage. They deal with this by inappropriately projecting the persona of a parent or authority figure onto other who, in the eues of any reasonable person, would have as much agency, indepemdencs and personal power as they do.
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| My belief is that the phenomenon of remain voters changing their mind largely does not exist. I'm not sure that fits the definition of condescending so you appear to be deflecting by resorting to insults.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"Yes I think that must be about the most absurd a statement as I've read from a quitling. What their side of the debate simply cannot cope with is that the billboards, negative messages from the leave campaign and everything since has normalised hate. People who have always had vile views about race, sexuality and just about any other characteristic, realised they could now give voice to it. And once they'd stopped swallowing down the hate they found they couldn't stop spewing it. These Neanderthals even occasionally gift wrap the hate by adding a slogan such as "We voted OUT" whilst harassing the polish couple. But then I suppose that's not a reference to the referendum. It must be about the Hokey Cokey or something.'"
Quote ="Pumpetypump"The grown ups were chatting about you cheekychops. And there's not a chance in hell you voted remain.'"
oh dear, big man with green username claims I insulted him, merely by pointing out his condescending nature.
I am glad you are so small minded as to equate abhorrent views on race, sexuality etc. with the people (which again, for clarity, does not include me) voted to leave. You show yourself up, narrow minded and opinionated and the self perceived fount of all that is true. The gospel according to Pumpetypump.
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| Quote ="IR80"oh dear, big man with green username'"
I haven't a clue what that means.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"My belief is that the phenomenon of remain voters changing their mind largely does not exist. I'm not sure that fits the definition of condescending so you appear to be deflecting by resorting to insults.'"
I tend to agree - it's become common parlance for morons like Mark Francois and his ilk, to say that 'the people' just want politicians to 'get on with it.' I voted Remain, as did most people I know, and I don't know anyone who voted that way, who is now just shrugging their shoulders and wishing it was done and dusted. My old Mum voted Leave, and even she's scared of a version of Brexit she didn't vote for, being bulldozed through parliament by Boris Johnson.
It's a well worn trope of politicians of all stripes, to say "businesses I speak to" or "my constituents" as a proxy for their own opinion; this is no different.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Hate crimes have increased by 41% since the referendum
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How many of those crimes were directly attributable to the referendum? Yet again in Huddersfield we have more cases of Asian men abusing innocent white girls - these guys are in Leeds court ATM - this type of behaviour leads far more to hate crimes than any referendum.
Immigration from the EU is no longer seen as the enemy it was in 2016.
Is all the killing in London anything to do with the referendum? No, does it have anything to do with reduced police numbers? No because the police were willing to go in those areas - does it have something to do with a country flush with drugs and weapons - yes it does.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"How many of those crimes were directly attributable to the referendum? Yet again in Huddersfield we have more cases of Asian men abusing innocent white girls - these guys are in Leeds court ATM - this type of behaviour leads far more to hate crimes than any referendum.
Immigration from the EU is no longer seen as the enemy it was in 2016.
Is all the killing in London anything to do with the referendum? No, does it have anything to do with reduced police numbers? No because the police were willing to go in those areas - does it have something to do with a country flush with drugs and weapons - yes it does.'"
I certainly aren't going to depend grooming gangs or paedophiles of any race creed or colour.
However, perhaps you could explain the 41% increase in those statistics, IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE REFERENDUM CAMPAIGN and by throwing the grooming gangs into the pot, are you trying to say that the rhetoric used by Farage and Boris had nothing to do with the increase.
Those two, lovely right wing politicians gave license to anyone with racist views to be empowered to act. Just open your eyes, it really isn't too difficult to see the correlation between the politics and the increase, not even for you.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"My belief is that the phenomenon of remain voters changing their mind largely does not exist. I'm not sure that fits the definition of condescending so you appear to be deflecting by resorting to insults.'"
I haven’t changed my mind, but I do think the referendum result should be respected and we should leave on the best terms available, which ‘happily’ isn’t no deal.
The problem is getting somebody to press the button on a deal, which 48% at best grudgingly accept and that a big chunk of the 52% are bound to regard as somewhere between disappointing and betrayal. The high point of Brexit was always going to be the night of 23 June 2016.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"How many of those crimes were directly attributable to the referendum? Yet again in Huddersfield we have more cases of Asian men abusing innocent white girls - these guys are in Leeds court ATM - this type of behaviour leads far more to hate crimes than any referendum.'"
Proof positive that the dog-whistle tactics of Farage and his less articulate disciples actually works.
90% of child sexual abusers are white men; fancy joining my lynch mob this weekend to take retribution?
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"I haven’t changed my mind, but I do think the referendum result should be respected and we should leave on the best terms available, which ‘happily’ isn’t no deal.
The problem is getting somebody to press the button on a deal, which 48% at best grudgingly accept and that a big chunk of the 52% are bound to regard as somewhere between disappointing and betrayal. The high point of Brexit was always going to be the night of 23 June 2016.'"
There is a lot of hindsight involved, both leave and remain peddled, shall we be kind and say, untruths. No side or parliamentary party will leave this period of history with anything other than ridicule.
Whatever happens, just get on with it, it dominates the news but, in reality, little will change.
Do we still have troops in Afghanistan, how are we doing with Iran and blocking shipping, what about Aregentina, have they gone quiet, do Spain still lay sovereign claim to Gibraltar.
But hang on, I know who is on STI Island, how much Granny's chamber pot might be worth, that gender neutral/fluid is a thing.I'm amazed the BBC have even remembered it's the 9//11 anniversary.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Proof positive that the dog-whistle tactics of Farage and his less articulate disciples actually works.
90% of child sexual abusers are white men; fancy joining my lynch mob this weekend to take retribution?'"
Where does that stat come from?
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| Quote ="IR80"Where does that stat come from?'"
Over 90% of sexual abuse victims knew the perpetrator; either from family members or friends of the family.
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| Quote ="tigertot"Over 90% of sexual abuse victims knew the perpetrator; either from family members or friends of the family.'"
That isn't a source, unless you missed posting a link?
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| Quote ="IR80"That isn't a source, unless you missed posting a link?'"
Put the stat into your search bar and you'll find stuff that you probably didn't want to know.
It's not as headline grabbing as Asian men grooming young girls but, it's certainly true.
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| Quote ="IR80"Where does that stat come from?'"
Google is your friend - I am not.
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