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You've already gone off Brexit then.
Once we're out of the EU, everything is going to be great.
We will be an outward looking nation building up this once great nation.

As I said, having control of major infrastructure and utilities should be at the top of our list.
All we are doing is the equivalent of Labour's PFI schemes to build hospitals and schools on the never never.
These capital projects should have been centrally funded and not left us paying over the odds for the next century.

You still really, really fed up about Brexit then?

Every time i pop in here it is page after page day after day of your doomsday predictions and negativity... it is happening, cheer up it's not the end of the world

Like all businesses timing is key - perhaps now is not the correct time to add further borrowing?

Where is the gas and coal coming from?

Fancy not pricing up your nationalisation plans. Maybe they were hoping this 'investment' would be overlooked by the Tories.

Today we get to hear the Liberals telling us that kids can have bus passes up to the age of 21. Oh and taxes will go up. Didn't we hear that yesterday in a different guise. Oh not just for the achievers.

You're right, it's not the end of the world.
However, things certainly dont look any better than before the referendum (there's another thread for that) and the prospect of the Tories getting 5 more years, allowing them to squeeze the life out of the poor sods at the bottom of the pile is genuinely depressing.
The strong and stable economy is a long way from the rhetoric that May spews out.
The opposition are not credible (an extra £50 billion in spending plus the buy back of the utilities), when there is rock all in the pot, plus the £50 billion Brexit bill.

Our "great" nation is in a right bloody mess and the clowns in Westminster have little idea about how to change things.

Personally, I'm ok and it wont be me visiting the food banks but, the concept of improving peoples lives has completely gone.

We either trust the Tories, who will always look after their own or, vote Labour and wait for them to run out of money (again).

So much for Labour's tax and spend plans but what about the Tories' tax and spend plans? Nobody is mentioning those. The question that you should be asking is whose tax and spend plans are likely to lead to a greater good for the majority of the population?

The Tory tax and spend plans won't come up for detailed discussion until the manifesto is released. I believe it's due Thursday of this week.

Yes but the don't know what they will cost - but whoever they are buying them from will have to accept government bonds as payment!! Unreal but that's Labour all over.

I am interested how this levy on those paying over £330k is going to work? Well it wont because Labour have little/no chance of getting in. It Monopoly politics i.e. playing a game without real money it madness.

We are where we are. Long term the best thing to do is to bin off this nuclear project - at least in its current format.

On coal and gas I'd continue to get it from where we've got it in the past. We at least have a choice of provider there and aren't locked into a deal that's decades long. We'd have more flexibility.

I agree on that deal - I do think Nuclear is the way forward

I've no objections to Nuclear. Just that deal seems utterly awful. If we're going Nuclear

we need a proven system - not something new and it needs to be owned by us.

If we're going to have it I'd rather it have a big union jack flying on top of it rather than being reliant on foreign money and influence - particularly French and Chinese.

Until we can get the deal we want I'd stick with gas and coal. I would also be sticking some subsidy toward wave and tidal power given that those are likely to be growth industries in the future.

We need to move away from nuclear & fossil fuels, & towards a low carbon future. Nuclear will never pay for itself & leaves a legacy for others which is immoral. We should be concentrating on energy reduction, we could cut our energy consumption (& bills) significantly in the region, while creating sustainable jobs.

I am unsure how reducing energy consumption creates sustainable jobs?

Retrofitting homes, offices, factories etc to reduce consumption would take a lot of work. Sure it would be quite expensive, but Nuclear is hardly cheap and creates far less jobs.

Quote ="Sal Paradise"I am unsure how reducing energy consumption creates sustainable jobs?'" The world's leading research institute is here in Leeds; www.lowcarbonfutures.org/reports ... ch-reports More sustainable than the incinerator in keighley that will burn 100,000t of recyclable waste a year, releasing a cocktail of the most poisonous chemicals known to science over everywhere in the wind path from Keighley to Leeds. But it will create 75 jobs, so our vacuous MP is supporting it.

Quote ="Sal Paradise"I am unsure how reducing energy consumption creates sustainable jobs?'" The world's leading research institute is here in Leeds; www.lowcarbonfutures.org/reports ... ch-reports More sustainable than the incinerator in keighley that will burn 100,000t of recyclable waste a year, releasing a cocktail of the most poisonous chemicals known to science over everywhere in the wind path from Keighley to Leeds. But it will create 75 jobs, so our vacuous MP is supporting it.

Quote ="tigertot"The world's leading research institute is here in Leeds; www.lowcarbonfutures.org/reports ... ch-reports More sustainable than the incinerator in keighley that will burn 100,000t of recyclable waste a year, releasing a cocktail of the most poisonous chemicals known to science over everywhere in the wind path from Keighley to Leeds. But it will create 75 jobs, so our vacuous MP is supporting it.'" I take it they will close it on Friday so the Imam wont have to ingest the fumes when he calls the population of Keighley to prayers Joking aside I agree there has to be a better way of disposing of our toxic waste

Quote ="tigertot"The world's leading research institute is here in Leeds; www.lowcarbonfutures.org/reports ... ch-reports More sustainable than the incinerator in keighley that will burn 100,000t of recyclable waste a year, releasing a cocktail of the most poisonous chemicals known to science over everywhere in the wind path from Keighley to Leeds. But it will create 75 jobs, so our vacuous MP is supporting it.'" I take it they will close it on Friday so the Imam wont have to ingest the fumes when he calls the population of Keighley to prayers Joking aside I agree there has to be a better way of disposing of our toxic waste

It is isn't toxic waste. It is recyclable. Incineration requires continued over consumption of scarce resources which is doubly insane.

Our nations values vaporised throughout the 1980s. I wouldn't expect them to return any time soon.

Most of the world chooses convenience over being "green" all day long.
Too many people consuming more than they need and nothing significant will be done until it's too late.

If Stephen Hawking is right (and we need to colonise another planet within 100 years), we should all be living like nuns but, nobody will sacrifice the 3 cars on their drive or scale back their personal consumption.

It must be if its sending poisonous fumes out into the atmosphere?

The concept of scarce is an interesting one - we have barely tapped into the resource of this planet and its sun.

What values did we have in the 70's that vanished in the 80's?

You are partly right. It is very difficult living in a society that constantly bombards you with advertising & glossy magazines to believe that you can be content without those consumerables & that life style. The fact is, over a certain income which I would suggest around £40k, generally money does not bring more contentment. Until people are aware of, or have to pay the full cost for, their actions they will still want a big car. But their penis will still be the same size.

Quote ="wrencat1873"Most of the world chooses convenience over being "green" all day long. Too many people consuming more than they need and nothing significant will be done until it's too late. If Stephen Hawking is right (and we need to colonise another planet within 100 years), we should all be living like nuns but, nobody will sacrifice the 3 cars on their drive or scale back their personal consumption.'" But that's the way the world has gone. We've been beaten with the economy stick and told to aspire, work, earn, spend, consume, because it's good for the economy. And the 'wealth creators' can create jobs for 'hardworking people' who in turn create more wealth for the wealth creators, who then trickle it back to everyone... https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdo ... -democracy

Quote ="wrencat1873"Most of the world chooses convenience over being "green" all day long. Too many people consuming more than they need and nothing significant will be done until it's too late. If Stephen Hawking is right (and we need to colonise another planet within 100 years), we should all be living like nuns but, nobody will sacrifice the 3 cars on their drive or scale back their personal consumption.'" But that's the way the world has gone. We've been beaten with the economy stick and told to aspire, work, earn, spend, consume, because it's good for the economy. And the 'wealth creators' can create jobs for 'hardworking people' who in turn create more wealth for the wealth creators, who then trickle it back to everyone... https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdo ... -democracy

That cycle has done the UK well over the years so whats the issue.?