You sound like a Wigan fan.

I should have put Wiganers on that list of exotic cultures, the things that their women do with two knitting needles and a ball of red and a ball of white wool has to be seen to be believed.

Nott forgetting the famous curtain twitching rich culture of the Home Counties.

A brilliant and obvious suggestion in the Independent article - suffocation of extremism by self-engendered ridicule. To say nothing of the opposite effect that would be manifested if Warsi and May had their way - the inevitable propelling of the suppressed evil voice into a state of misguided pre-eminence.

The jihad article is illuminating. While it is undoubted that the vast majority of Muslims are peace-loving, there is an apparent reluctance by Imams to firstly admit that terror crimes [iare[/i being committed in the name of Islam and secondly to denounce armed jihad when such crimes are perpetuated. Jihad undoubtedly has many definitions, but the form that we see manifesting in incidents such as Woolwich, 7/7, Boston etc. is combative and is happening today.

Muslims like Tarek Fatah and Maajid Nawaz who are not afraid to speak the truth should be lauded. Instead, the British authorities tiptoe around the notion that the rotten worm that is militant Islamism does exist and does indeed have it's roots in Sharia law and Islam. Why do they?

Mr Fatah would be the perfect interviewer of Choudary on national telly.

slightly OT but I'm astonished one of the do gooder brigade hasn't started a thread today calling mark bridger a poor lamb, who doesn't really deserve a prison sentence and needs to be rehabilitated back into society as soon as possible...

If you can find a second brain cell, try and rub it together with the first one. You never know – something might even happen.

I accept the "dym" bit of your username may be a typo but I'm struggling with the "an" & "1988"

I hear they have an ancient and skilled flag making tradition.

Such as who?

Shouldn't you be somewhere else, tipping losers, or telling racist jokes?

Talk about idiotic posts. The vast majority on here want people like him punished for what they do and I would imagine few will object to the whole life tariff imposed on Mark Bridger, where there is a difference in general is the two camps of 'yes' and 'no' to the death penalty. I would by astounded if even one subscribed to your theory.

Not normally one to bite, but isn't admission of guilt normally the first step to rehabilitation? On that basis he has no chance.

Astonished are you?
You guessed 100% wrong then didn't you?
Going to come back and apologise are you?

Absolutely.

You give them credibility or kudos by, in effect, giving them the 'honour' of censorship.



Agreed.

Something else that comes into the mix too is our relationship with Saudi Arabia – more pussyfooting, if you will. IIRC, a huge amount of the funding for extremist/fundamentalist forms of Islam (Wahhabism, certainly) is coming out of Saudi – and yet we continue to sell it arms and be 'friends'.

I'd be more worried about supplying weapons to the rebels in Syria. Could easily fall into the hands of Islamist nutjobs. Say Assad is defeated, what's saying that Syria wouldn't go from moderate to fundamentalist, A La Egypt?

If there had been no uprising in Syria then our govenment wouldn't be giving two poops about Assad's regime.

There are already stories coming out of Syria that at least some of the rebels are Islamic extremists. So what with Russia backing Assad's regime and Israel rattling the sabres over that, it has the potential to get very messy.

And what happened in Iran, with Islamic fundamentalists taking over that revolution should teach us something. I couldn't quite 'get' why so many people were so excited about the Arab Spring. It seemed more like a case of: 'let's wait and see what actually happens'.

But I still think the point about Saudi Arabia stands: there's a lot of money form there that has gone into promoting that particularly fundamentalist Muslim sect and yet we happily continue to do business with them (albeit there being a difference between the regime/monarchy and the clerics).

Oil, I guess.

It's also quite handy to have a heavily armed friend in the region to 'keep the peace'.

Your point on the Russian missiles. It seems like Israel, Britain etc. are unhappy, not because the armarments may be used against the uprising, but because with them, it would be extremely difficult to bomb the cack out of Syria.

And the whole 'better the devil you know', perhaps.



Israel claims to be happy because of the links between the Assad regime and Hezbollah, but yes, it would make it a damned sight harder.

The (latest mentioned) Russian weapons are surface-to-air missiles.
As the rebels don't have any planes, these weapons are not to "balance out" anything that the UK, France or US might supply, they are to deter the likes of Syria's neighbours from bombing anything in Syria.
Russia's message is to those states primarily and I suspect those missiles would have been supplied regardless of the recent EU talks outcome.
Nonetheless, it is another ramping-up of the stakes in preparation for a proxy war that could and probably will be unwinnable by anyone and will kill hundreds of thousands of innocents.

This is not actually "about" Syria, it is about the differing agendas of Russia and the US regarding the middle-East in general, centred on attitudes towards Israel.
Syria is to be the battleground.

^ This.

Eee, it's almost like the good old days.

I would suggest you look here. answering-islam.org/Silas/apostasy.htm Believe it or not there are threads about if it's ok to sleep on your front. Even the normal people would be classed as nutters. Trust me, these guys are mainstream.

I would suggest you look here. answering-islam.org/Silas/apostasy.htm Believe it or not there are threads about if it's ok to sleep on your front. Even the normal people would be classed as nutters. Trust me, these guys are mainstream.

Quote ="billypop"I would suggest you look here. answering-islam.org/Silas/apostasy.htm Believe it or not there are threads about if it's ok to sleep on your front. Even the normal people would be classed as nutters. Trust me, these guys are mainstream.'" Sorry but, as the website seems to be unavailable, you may need to articulate your point. What is it?

Quote ="billypop"I would suggest you look here. answering-islam.org/Silas/apostasy.htm Believe it or not there are threads about if it's ok to sleep on your front. Even the normal people would be classed as nutters. Trust me, these guys are mainstream.'" Sorry but, as the website seems to be unavailable, you may need to articulate your point. What is it?

I see the UAF (United alongside fascism) managed to get 50+ of their number arrested last weekend.

Quite ironic that they claim to be 'anti fascist' but like to try and cave the heads in of those who disagree with them.

I think you are struggling with the meanings of "anti fascist" and "ironic".
Does your mum know you're playing with the computer again?