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| And the judge discounted ALL of them ... on what basis?
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| Quote ="Stand-Offish"And the judge discounted ALL of them ... on what basis?'"
to be fair, she can hardly form a coherent sentence, it seems SA is about as messed up as it can be legally
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| Quote ="Standee"to be fair, she can hardly form a coherent sentence, it seems SA is about as messed up as it can be legally'"
Well, if I were in position of legal power in SA, I wouldn't be happy with this circus being played out to the world and at the end of it all being such an embarrassment to the system.
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| Quote ="Stand-Offish"Well, if I were in position of legal power in SA, I wouldn't be happy with this circus being played out to the world and at the end of it all being such an embarrassment to the system.'"
I agree, the whole thing appears to be a sham.
They were (apparently) alone in the house, she went to the toilet, and locked herself in, he shot 4 times through the door, sorry, but I think he's guilty of murder, she is dead, he fired the gun.
If it had been a black guy in Soweto he'd be serving life by now, not having fights in nightclubs.
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| Quote ="Richie"...However it's to some extent understandable, in a country that has a murder rate over 30 times higher than the UK does, that Pistroius could have a fear for his life if he thought an intruder had broken into the house.'"
There's fear and there's fear. If he saw some guy coming towards him that would be more understandable. And specifically it was one leg (sorry!) of his Defence that he genuinely believed that there was such a threat to his life and hence did not have the intention unlawfully to kill anyone. This defence would have succeeded if the judge had found that he'd genuinely believed that his life was in danger. However if you recall, Pistorius breathtakingly changed his defence horse half way through and claimed a second defence of "involuntary action".Basically, he ended up shooting but didn't somehow do it as a voluntary action. This was also rightly rejected.
The point being, it doesn't really matter whether you fear your life is in danger, if what you're saying is you never consciously or intentionally shot the gun at all, it just sort of inexplicably happened.
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| 5 years in the Big House.
Good result for the defence team.
*Well 10 months in the Big House followed by house arrest.
Still, her parents believe justice has been done and I suppose there the most important ones.
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| Quote ="WIZEB"5 years in the Big House.
Good result for the defence team.
*Well 10 months in the Big House followed by house arrest.
Still, her parents believe justice has been done and I suppose there the most important ones.'"
im sure they do considering the blood money they received from him
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| They said he didn't have a leg to stand on, but it was no walk in the park for the prosecution, and it is probably the first case where the defence had more legs than the defendant. I think the judge has gone out on a limb with his sentence, though.
If he does spend 4 years under "house arrest" then I would advise any lady visitors to bring a she-wee and a bedpan.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"They said he didn't have a leg to stand on, but it was no walk in the park for the prosecution, and it is probably the first case where the defence had more legs than the defendant. I think the judge has gone out on a limb with his sentence, though.'"
No doubt you'll come up with some BS defence of yourself, but that's completely out of order.
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| I'm amazed the Steenkamps weren't ordered to replace the bathrrom door
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| Quote ="Lebron James"im sure they do considering the blood money they received from him
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Yup. She ain't coming back so may as well be compensated financially.
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| Ten months for blowing away his girlfriend & I thought our sentencing was skinny.
So, he gets out of bed & doesn’t notice his girlfriend is not in it, then goes to the toilet & pops four through the door, but doesn’t hear anyone scream out when hit .
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| His defence team and the wider media did a pretty good job at turning the tables and portraying him as the victim.
All them tears weren't for nowt thee knows.
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| Yes, but in yer average circus case the job has been to hoodwink or brainwash gullible or biased jurors. In this case, such tactics [ishould[/i have been a waste of time given that a judge wouldn't be fooled or swayed ...
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| I think the length of sentence, 5 years, is probably about right as they couldn't prove murder. But he should be in jail for a good portion of that. This house arrest stuff is just rubbish and proves that if you're rich you get treated differently to everybody else.
I'm far from an expert on law, but the whole situation of such an important case not being decided by a jury and by one person instead just doesn't feel right. And the amount of time it took to come to a verdict and then the sentence is ridiculous.
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If you couldn't get enough of the case, then you'll be made up that the prosecution have put in an appeal against
a) unduly lenient sentence and
b) the murder acquittal
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29895786
[url=http://www.pod702.co.za/Eyewitnessnews/docs/141104NPA.pdfThe Appeal documents[/url
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If you couldn't get enough of the case, then you'll be made up that the prosecution have put in an appeal against
a) unduly lenient sentence and
b) the murder acquittal
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29895786
[url=http://www.pod702.co.za/Eyewitnessnews/docs/141104NPA.pdfThe Appeal documents[/url
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| The circus rolls on.
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| The judge was under enormous pressure from the outset. And when I say "pressure" I mean the kind that gently puts a hand on your shoulder promising that [i"good things can happen to those who don't 'rock the boat'"[/i straight down to [i"do you want to see your family again?"[/i
Reading between the lines of the judgement (and knowing one or two things about the case) I'd say she did as much as she could to provide some form of justice to the families. But criticising her for not putting Oscar away for life is very brave - in the safety of your own homes. One wonders how brave these people might have been under similar conditions?
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So far as I can tell, people are simply commenting on the given that this was a self-contained criminal trial under that country's system of due process. Therefore "bravery" don't enter into it.
You are the first I know of to suggest that the judge is corrupt, and instead of reaching an honest decision, acted otherwise than in due exercise of her judicial powers, and perverted justice by reaching a finding and a sentence for extraneous reasons, under duress.
I don't believe you.
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| To be honest I attach no significance to your belief. But I'll give you points for brazen self-flattery.
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| thought the consensus was that 5 years was more than is generally given (In SA) for what he was actually convicted of.
They won't get a murder conviction..
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| Quote ="Mugwump"To be honest I attach no significance to your belief. '"
Ah, but your snooty response clearly shows that you do
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| The consensus of opinion here seems to be that he got off lightly.
No idea where Mugwump got his conspiracy theory from, but it isn't something being talked about here in SA.
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| Quote ="Richie"No idea where Mugwump got his conspiracy theory from, but it isn't something being talked about here in SA.'"
Corruption is a word never far from anyone's lips in South Africa. Anyone that takes an interest, that is. And since I grew up with a 17-year veteran in the Gauteng police force who was twice tasked to a national unit that arrested senior officials on charges of corruption in Jo'burg, Pretoria and Bloemfontein over a period of three years my guess is I am better informed than most on the rampant levels of corruption in that country.
Totsiens.
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| Another [iinteresting[/i decision in the South African courts this week I see...
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