Let's start with raising taxes on high earners, raising corporation tax ....... There's 2 that will send you southern hating northerners into a spin

Wrencat sums it up here



We have to accept that we live in a world where we are not equal for many reasons.

It's not about being equal, it's about having equal opportunity and a society that's as fair as it possibly can be. What a person does with that opportunity is down to them of course, but a person should not be hindered because of what they are and closing that gap can only be a good thing surely?

I'll refrain from making any remarks like you've done (like "Southern Hating Northerners"icon_wink.gif, as that doesn't really achieve anything, but yes, raising tax for higher earners and raising corporation tax... My thoughts on that are since the recession and the policy of austerity and cut backs, it's the average person that has ultimately footed the bill and suffered the most because of it, whilst the high-earning minority have continued to flourish in that time. I agree with the policy of getting the rich to pay their fair share, and putting the money back into vital services that are struggling.

Why do you disagree with it? Do you not think that certain services need better funding, and if you agree, where else should the funds come from? Will you personally be worse off financially under Labour's policy? They're genuine questions to try and understand your position on it.

The top 10 % of earners contribute something like 50 % of the taxes and still Corbyn wants more. Its just headline grabbing stuff.

We have a tax system that rises as you go through certain thresholds, why does it need to be raised again. Higher earners pay both a higher % and higher actuals so why more?? We can't and shouldn't all earn the same which ultimately is what happens(ish). Forget the 0.1% of High earners such as CEOs of big companies and owners of successful companies. Why do we need to continuously thrash those who have achieved.

His hatred of successful individuals and business is bizarre if not worrying. These are the people and organisations that create employment for the rest of us. Don't chase them away because of bitterness

So he said growth would drop from 2% to 1.9%. Inflation will be caused by exchange rate differences if the currency settles down then the inflation differential i.e. 2.7% to 2% wage inflation will be reduced.

Hardly armageddon.

In a similar way that big business and entrepreneurs create jobs, they're also provided a skilled, healthy, educated workforce to utilise to be able to do it. Without one, the other will struggle to flourish and visa-versa.

Why should they pay more... because they can afford to pay more. There's no "bitterness" or "hatred", that's just you throwing in sensationalist remarks again.

There are key services that are massively underfunded in the country, how do you propose the funds are raised in order to fund them properly? or wouldn't you?

No it wouldn't - the assumptions as to the way its funded is completely bonkers. It assumes you can increase CT by several % points and your take will increase. What do you think very sophisticated business leaders are going to do just lay down and take it? Labour may get a gain year 1 but they will see diminishing returns thereafter. The idea that you will get the likes Apple/Google to pay the correct amount of tax is crazy they are already paying the legal correct amount of CT. That is the issue about CT its an international arrangement and unless you change the global rules you are stuffed.

No, clearly not, armageddon but, the first significant shift in interest rates, which will have to change as soon as inflation starts to increase, will cause panic amongst the masses, many of whom have over borrowed due to the ridiculously low interest rates, which are taken as the norm.

And in the middle of all the rhetoric, spin and misguided proclamations by so-called Labour supporters - the IFS have quietly announced that the Labour manifesto has been fully costed and stacks up...

An earlier poster nailed it - the measures of societal success we seem so obsessed with are just one part of the story; GDP, rates of employment etc - what we seem to forget are the more important underpinnings such as equality of opportunity, education, wellbeing, support when people hit difficulties in life - the latter create the former, and to forget that and try to run a country as if it were a corporation, is an error.

If nothing changes, everything stays the same.

what percentage of manifesto pledges actually go through once elected party get in?

Provided the CT revenues flow in at the required levels - that is a huge if

As is believing that May will bring immigration down to the 10's of 000's, despite failing to do so after 3 previous commitments; or that pensions will go up in line with inflation, despite her refusing to say otherwise; or that personal taxation will not go up under a Tory government, despite her refusal to confirm or deny; of that Brexit will be good for Britain - surely the biggest if of all?

That's kind of how it works - parties make promises and commitments in their manifesto - and its up to the public to decide if they believe they are realistic and achievable? I guess the big difference in this era of media controlled messaging, is that the Labour commitments are held to much higher levels of scrutiny pre-election, than the Tory ones.

In the EU we had no control over Immigration from EU countries whereas in the future we will have. It was a bizarre commitment to make when realistically you had no control over it. Non EU countries was something we could have controlled but possibly didn't do as well as we could.

JC4PM all day long. Far more charismatic, intelligent and articulate than May. Plus, he doesn't lose importantl documents about peadophillia like May, nor would he sell weapons to terrorists like May does. Btw Dally, I'm sure you got excited about today's Daily Mail front page which was absolute lies. But hey ho, I'm sure you bought it, just like every other person who read it. Unfortunately we live in an age where 95% of the population are influenced by what the media tell us.

victims of child abuse? F*** em. Victims of domestic abuse? F*** em. Workers? F*** em. Unemployed? F*** em. Homeless? F*** em. Welcome to life under the tories. How on earth the tories can get away with changing 80 years of child protection laws and get away with it is beyond me. I'm sure everyone is now googling it because their paper of choice never told them this. Of course you won't, thresa may has hired the PR firm that represented those that hacked dead children's phones . That says it all.

Regards

King James

Oh and cuts to education! Well played tories! Cuts to education! Fantastic!

Regards

King James

They have their priorities right though - free vote on reintroduction of fox-hunting. Forget the plebs, give the landed a bit if fun.

In other news, the Lib Dems have said they will legalise cannabis if they win. Fair play to them, it's ridiculous there's no debate over our outdated drug laws. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbWpXYOg4OQ

In other news, the Lib Dems have said they will legalise cannabis if they win. Fair play to them, it's ridiculous there's no debate over our outdated drug laws. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbWpXYOg4OQ

Quote ="Charlie Sheen"In other news, the Lib Dems have said they will legalise cannabis if they win. Fair play to them, it's ridiculous there's no debate over our outdated drug laws. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbWpXYOg4OQ'" Yep, high time (no pun intended) that we stopped wasting valuable police resources on cannabis when there's plenty of "proper" crime to be fought. Also has the potential to reduce strain on the NHS and will put drug dealers out of business, while raising tax income.

Quote ="Charlie Sheen"In other news, the Lib Dems have said they will legalise cannabis if they win. Fair play to them, it's ridiculous there's no debate over our outdated drug laws. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbWpXYOg4OQ'" Yep, high time (no pun intended) that we stopped wasting valuable police resources on cannabis when there's plenty of "proper" crime to be fought. Also has the potential to reduce strain on the NHS and will put drug dealers out of business, while raising tax income.

Labours shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry having to defend Mr Corbyns opinion on NATO that he made just 6 years ago

The bloke is a complete joke , he is basically a communist but rather than join a left wing party or set up his own , he's latched onto the Labour party 30 odd years ago and been happy to take his MPs salary just so he could vote against them ' a complete hypocrit

You obviously have no idea what a Communist is.

I'm not his biggest fan, and I'm not a Labour member, or supporter however. he's gone against the Governing consensus many times, particularly when it comes to matters of defense, and foreign interventions, and been proven right, yet he's being perceived as being a pacifist.
How about we talk about the state of our armed forces in 2017, as opposed to a comment made 6 years ago? They've been savaged by this Government, and have left us almost defenseless. 22,000 less troops, outdated and unreliable equipment, and almost zero attention given to the mental of the troops, who are already at breaking point.
Honestly, apart from a couple of misleading statistics, this Government hasn't got anything positive to fall back on. Seriously, there was a huge cyber attack on the NHS, and the primary reason was because most of the IT systems are still running on Windows XP, and the Health Secretary is nowhere to be seen.

Not forgetting the associated mental health implications that comes with it, but hey its an outdated law.

Anyone who wants to smoke it can get it easily anyway, criminalising has no effect other than to drive people into the arms of dealers.

At least this way we can generate huge income on it & use this money to treat those who experience MH issues etc.

The risks are small, but primarily only effect people (mainly people under the age of 1icon_cool.gif who have a family history of mental illness. I dare say it's less harmful to your overall health as smoking, drinking alcohol, or eating processed junk food.

conservatives turn this week to tell us what we want to hear....

we can come back in a few years and see how much was actually implemented

But as the IT manager from the NHS pointed out - the use of XP is primarily to support MRI scanners and other very expensive bits of kit where the software hasn't been updated either by the manufacturer or the trust because they don't want to risk the machine not being in use. As we all know you upgrade your software and a host of Gremlins appear. This is OK if your personal computer doesn't function but if a machine vital in saving lives is not functioning that becomes more of an issue.

How many serious businesses will be on the latest version of windows? Virtually none its too risky - I bet the average person in the NHS wont be using XP for their office functionality.

How would you describe a Communist?