You've asked this before, you're getting more weird by the minute.
Are you being serious with that question. Really. Are we talking Sandy Hoax here ? or Paris, or St Bernardino, to be honest all three had special operation drills going on prior or at the time of the event. Instead of providing Sandy Hook i'll provide all three to stop confusion

1.[url=https://youtu.be/GQVRlEe2A94?list=UUSQJwLIjE3Knm4xRQzZ4ldwSANDY HOAX CHILDREN STILL ALIVE[/url
[url=http://www.fortfairfieldjournal.com/ffj/2014/01031501a.htmlSANDY HOAX FEMA EXCERCISE[/url
2. [url=http://beforeitsnews.com/police-state/2015/12/san-bernardino-shooting-happened-during-swat-drill-masonic-symbol-on-hat-2578.htmlST BERNARDINO SWAT TEAM IN OPERATION AT THE RIGHT TIME[/url
3.[url=https://youtu.be/ilp2NOydmJsPARIS DRILLS PRIOR EVENT[/url



You're right, i've provided the ijit with the evidence i'll probably end up using the FOE button to escape the weirdo's interaction from now on. Like i said before he's got one big problem not me

Stalker again offering no debate. Bringing up the earth's shape has nothing to do with this thread. Go on do one and go and pick of another username and play schitziod games with yourself.



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I can see that I have tapped into a rich seam here.

Yes I've asked before and you still have no answer to either. There were six drills over two months. They happen all the time, there were at least 6 in the same state as Sandy Hook in the 60 days both before and after the attack. Hardly coincidence, infact a 1 in 10 chance.

I see you still try to avoid my first point. You see again, someone shows you were wrong and you avoid it. There's only one weirdo here and that's you. I suggest you stop watching crackpots on Youtube, and reading the Daily odd ball, otherwise it wont be long before your in a mental institute.

I can't comment on 2 & 3 but there are much better sources than those you've quoted on the issue of Sandy Hook. I don't regard Jim Fetzer as a particularly reliable researcher. He did some good work years ago on the Kennedy case but ever since he became tied up with Veterans Today he's become pretty flaky. Bear in mind that the editor of Veterans Today, Gordon Duff, has openly admitted that the publication is "95% disinformation".

I've no idea what JML32 alter ego The Butcher has coughed up. But i'd wager it's nothing to do with this Paris thread followed by a brain insult. I love this FOE BUTTON. :

J L M. It's not hard! You are a clown of the highest order.

I have no problem with people not believing conspiracy theories, they're a lot out there that are just plain bat5hit, and some like the JFK assassination, or opprration mockingbird are just about as open and shut as you can get, and have actually been proven. Yet people still greet people who relay this information with ridicule. As an example, Mugwump has named almost all his sources of information, yet almost nobody, except perhaps Cronus has tried to refute the evidence.
It isn't surprising though, whenever anyone suggests that almost everything a person thought that was true about his perception of society, or the world in general has all been a sham then they usually respond in a dismissive manner, and ignore the evidence that's in front of them. Religious people are a prime example of this.

I really don't mind people objecting to different theories about X, Y & Z. Covert actions are - by their very nature - designed to be opaque. It's the reason ten times as much resources are devoted to the cover story as the operation itself.

What I do object to is people who haven't the faintest idea about what they are talking about attacking others who have invested a considerable portion of their own precious time and energy researching events to a level which would be acceptable in an academic institution.

For instance - I have a rule of thumb regarding 9/11 which has never once let me down: [iThe only people who deny the existence of some form of conspiracy either know next to nothing about the event or have some vested interest in supporting the official explanation.[/i

Only in some topsy-turvy universe is it acceptable for people who haven't even read the official 9/11 Commission Report to claim those who have and don't believe it are delusional.

Which is why I don't bother engaging with such clowns - [ior I ask them to state clearly, prior to entering the debate, precisely what it would take for them to change their opinion[/i - at which point they suddenly become very, very vague. What does this tell you?



I mean, I used to get pretty wound up about it. But now I just find it funny. I know I've done the hard grind. I have over a thousand books on the shelf behind me, heaven knows how much archived video and audio footage etc. etc. I'm not saying I know everything - but I'm more than satisfied that I know something about what I'm talking about.

My opinions are always flexible - which is precisely as it should be. It's the idiots clinging to a completely rigid explanation they don't even realise was disproven years ago who are in error.

The weird thing is - on at least three occasions I've caught out people who take great delight in ridiculing any and all conspiracies publicly espousing a completely different viewpoint in private. This leads me to believe that truth is far less important than social inclusion to these people. Which makes sense really when you consider how intelligence agencies try to muddy the waters. Bear in mind that it was the CIA which first emphasized the effectiveness of labeling people "conspiracy theorists" (see the first link in the Unmediated History Thread) as a means of combating the growing number of people who were dissatisfied with the Warren Commission (which means the joke is kind of on the people using it in a pejorative sense).

I wasn't always this way. For a good thirty years I WAS ONE of these clowns. Before embarking on any kind of serious research I've ALWAYS believed the official story (with the possible exception of JFK). And yet time and time again I've found that my faith in the official explanation was completely misplaced.

Well, I find this thread interesting.

It's certainly made me think about things and events.

The world is never black and white, it's always shades of grey.

Reading around a subject and empowering one's self to be better informed can never be a bad thing.

If you go right back to the first recognised socities, people have always looked to exploit each other, ancient Indian and Persian society is full of this, if we had the historical record to go right back to the Rift Valley, I would presume the same.

Let me add that whilst it's extremely difficult to acquire cast-iron proof of conspiracy and the identities of the conspirators in the immediate aftermath of an event - there are some very reliable indicators that something foul is afoot.

I mean, if the cops are already on the scene, or they were running drills at the location the same day, or the suspect is identified (with detailed biographical data) [iwithin minutes[/i and/or filled full of lead before talking, or within the first twenty-four hours the news reports suddenly change from a bunch of conflicting stories to one single explanation repeated verbatim across all channels, or government officials are [iimmediately[/i calling for new legislation, or shares in companies somehow connected to the events show unusual activity in the week preceding, or the investigation is handed off to the military (or some government body which doesn't seem entirely relevant) or (in the really big cases) stories appear about the nuclear launch codes temporarily going "missing" etc. etc. etc. there's a good chance you are being lied to.

I don't have the time to explain why the above are good indicators but it shouldn't be too difficult to figure out.

People should trust their instincts. Sure, the senses are fallible - but human instinct is a remarkably reliable tool. If something doesn't [ufeel [/uright (like buildings collapsing in a curiously [icontrolled[/i fashion) then it probably isn't. Don't be put off by loudmouth fools labelling you "insane" because chances are you are the smartest person in the conversation.



One thing you absolutely shouldn't do is immediately revert back to orthodoxy the moment you encounter some piece of evidence which doesn't fit the pattern. Just because some small piece of a conspiracy turns out to be false - it doesn't mean everything else is false, too. And if it is false - deal with it and move on. Likewise, just because you are convinced by one conspiracy - don't automatically assume that all conspiracies are true. Deal with them on an individual basis and purely on their merits.

Finally, have some fun. It's a genuinely stimulating and rewarding exercise and if it gets you out of the habit of watching TV then you'll end up much the smarter because of it.

I'm still waiting for an answer from our enlightened ones...

What did all the conspiracy theorists do before the internet?

To be honest i lost enthusiasm during the making of that post after uncovering the schitzoid, i just wanted to stop all dialogue so i hurriedly linked random sources just to end all correspondence.

One of the most compelling video's by Wolfgang Halbig on Sandy Hook this documentary a fascinating watch.



[url=https://youtu.be/K3QTCh3BLNEWolfgang Halbig[/url

Personally I have no objection to people investigating things, reading as much as they want or can in an effort to better inform themselves about something. Who would object to that ... it's what makes us special ... the thirst for knowledge/answers/reasons etc etc .......
Also it is a powerful argument that someone who is very well read in something should hold more sway in a debate (on the face of it), they being an expert in the field shall we say, or certainly having expertise.
That much is fine.

So for instance, if some aspect of American foreign policy is being discussed and the machinations and possible subterfuge connected with it .... then I wouldn't dream of arguing the toss with Mugwump, because he has researched this field and I haven't.
Although having read so much about it, I would trust Mugwump to come up with sensible (and I mean sensible) conclusions.
And I should think, though don't know, that he has in this field.

However, just because someone is an expert in the subterfuge that goes on in this world, does not give them carte blanche to assert that almost everything has more meaning to it than the obvious.

By way of example in Mugwump's case these are two of the things he has said, and I am paraphrasing ....
'There is no way a jetliner could bring down a building as massive as a Trade Centre'. That being the presumption alternative theories naturally follow ... deliberate demolition and murder of American citizens for instance.
Seriously?

Another one was when the explosives detonated in the Chinese port area ... paraphrasing again from memory ...
'That was some explosion, I reckon it was done by one of these babies' ... shows a picture of a missile.
Did the Chinese complain?

So I am sort of saying ... if someone is putting themselves forward as an expert, if they come to unreasonable conclusions, are they a reliable expert?

The question was posed, "What happened before the internet". It occurred to me the claim 'There is no way a jetliner could bring down a building as massive as a Trade Centre' is a statement on a par with "there is no way a spark from a bakers oven could burn down all London".

But then it ocurred to me that if the Great fire of London happened today, then of course it would 100% definitely be a false flag fire, no way could one spark do that, there were incendiary devices fitted all round the capital, and all the rest. In fact, I doubt any major disaster in all of recorded history would be conspiracy proof. Sad, really. But when people are willing to engage in serious conversation with a man who believes the Earth is flat, then gullibility knows no bounds.

"Uncovering the Schitzoid" You are a deeply weird man. I'm sure because you have no real answer to my questions you have used the foe button and hid away like a coward. If not, lets respond to your latest weirdo Wolfgang. If anyone can quote this, so the idiot can see it would be appreciated. Now onto old Wolfgang.

Did you know that despite how certain he was Sandy Hook was a hoax. He dropped his Lawsuit against Newtown before he got to court, this after being told he had, and could not provide any conclusive proof. He was given an opportunity to present this in court, and declined, withdrawing his lawsuit. How Weird!

Mr Halbig openly lies in his Video, he is not, and never has been a state trooper for a long period. He was actually sacked after his first year, he then attempted to become a Football coach and failed at this also. Mr Halbig, has a number of failed legal claims on his record, all of which he had no concrete evidence.

Mr Halbig, initially made 2 attempts to complain against Newtown. The first was thrown out entirely, the 2nd Was almost completely dismissed only stating that Newtown had been slightly late in their response.

Mr Halbig's Liar, erm sorry Lawyer. Then attempted to present a picture of the Sandy Hook choir singing at the Super Bowl imposed on a legal document. It was proven, in court, that this piece of evidence was clearly not authentic. In court his Lawyer folded the document in an attempt to hide the fact that his was not authentic. Not content with failing Miserably in his first attempts, Mr Halbig then appealed to the superior court, he was also told there, there was no case to answer.

What Mr Halbig actually is doing, is a Nationwide tour, speaking to impressionable crackpots, and making money off them. The Man continues to harass Parents who have lost their children despite continually losing at every turn. He is a sick, greedy, liar.

P.S You are aware that Mr Halbig then disappeared? Withdraw himself from a Sandy Hook "The Truth" Group. Took himself off Facebook, and removed his Sandy Hook the truth Facebook page. Weirdly, he had received $20,000-30,000 from the public to help his "Truth Campaign" Just before disappearing. Wow.

Believes the Earth is flat?! Wow.

Gee Whizz this is getting obsessively odd and worrying behaviour by JML32 also known as The Butcher. I've know idea what the damaged schizoid has posted due to the gracious option of the Foe button, but his continued tailgating of someone whom he regards as a weirdo i find this behaviour uncomfortable an kind of weirder than weird

Conspiracy theorists are difficult to engage with when they take on the condescending, wall of noise superiority of Flat Stanley; a constant barrage of self-affirming nonsense lauded as 'proof' that they are right, together with a tendency to deride people as 'sheep' if they aren't instantly convinced - it's not a very inclusive presentation style and suggests more than a hint of anxiety and emotional distress. That perception is amplified if the theorist in question believes every conspiracy that's available to them - that suggests the opposite of what they would have you believe; that they have diligently researched the issue and come to a logical conclusion. Rather, it suggests that they're cynical to begin with, suspicious of authority/politics/religion - whatever - and will simply adopt any theory that paints those bodies in a negative light; it's called a monological belief system.

Personally, I'm certain that throughout human history, there have been events that power-brokers have engineered specifically to create a certain set of circumstances; I'm happy to hear other people's thoughts on that and to do my own reading around it. I'm certainly not happy though, to believe that every single event that has any sense of uncertainty attached to it is based on the covert actions of a government, military or corporate entity - that way lies madness, as this thread clearly demonstrates.

Fair comment you're entitled to your own opinion as i am mine, and my beliefs are based on lengthy hours of looking through both ends of the spectrum which lead on to a great awakening investigating 9/11, which lead to researching secret societies amongst many many other false flagged events. I'd wager your's are based upon the mainstream hypnotist. Once you've read and reviewed archive footage and researched certain events i'm afraid the Rabbit hole just gets deeper and deeper. Like Mugwump said i could provide a mountain of high court evidence and it'd still fall on deaf ears. You'd continue to raise the bar. The bull i derive got you intrigued enough to reply. Please tell me what you know about Paris Terrorism come on i'm so intrigued to know.?



Typical house bringing up the earths shape,You remind me of the typical big gob coward goading and antagonising at the rear of the crowd. If you keep on prodding that stick i'll spam your ficticious thread to bits with a barrage of NASA bull, so i'd stop the goading about the earths shape if i were you.

Only you see flatearther. You would have no idea that whatI had posted had any relation to you unless you'd seen it. Not only are you a conspiracy theorist tool and a homophobe, you're also a liar. Just keep on exposing those wonderful character traits you have.

He's there again tailgating. Your stalking is sick....

So is your homophobic nature, your lying and your disrespect of the dead. Bit of alowlife really.