You are deliberately missing my point. The guy will have been thick all his life but now it's a problem because he's voting "the wrong way"

I'd say it was a problem whoever he's voting for if he doesn't actually understand what he's voting for. It's only coming to light now because the Brexit vote has put these 'left-behind' areas in the spotlight.

I didn't vote Labour, myself, this time so your Labour/Tory line of questioning is misplaced.

What did Labour expect putting a remainer from London who was ousted at the last election as their candidate in a seat that voted 70% leave?

I have never voted Tory, and I likely never will but Starmer and his team haven't got a clue. They need to pay more attention to what the the Labour councils in the North west and Greater Manchester in particular are doing, because they're actually increasing their share of the vote.

A bit of a stretch to say the candidate was "from London" when they've lived in the north east for 30 years.

Anyway onto the next by election. I gifted my second preference to the Labour candidate for W Yorkshire mayor, the second time i've cast a vote for that party. They ultimately won triggering a by election in Batley and Spen. That I think would be closer to call than Hartlepool - Labour just won more votes there in the local elections and 17% of votes went for Lib Dems and Greens that they can potentially seek to squeeze.

It all depends who they select as their candidate, hopefully they let their local membership decide rather than parachute someone in.

He was a doctor at the local hospital so how can he described as parachuted in.

He was parachuted in because he was the leadership's choice, he wasn't chosen in a local selection process.

Labour are very strong in Manchester and Liverpool - Burnham is a very good communicator who comes across as a very genuine guy who really cares - a bit like Street in the Midlands - the complete opposite to Boris.

Maybe they could have stood Joe Anderson - he has a lot of spare time these days

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This is a good article about Labour in Hartlepool. It is also interesting that a lot of left wing Labour supporters could not stomach voting Labour. His leaflet on St George’s day with nothing on it other than I am the candidate and with a St. George’s flag covering the other half did not help him either. Loads of people wanted rid of the traditional politicians completely. https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... l-election

This is a good article about Labour in Hartlepool. It is also interesting that a lot of left wing Labour supporters could not stomach voting Labour. His leaflet on St George’s day with nothing on it other than I am the candidate and with a St. George’s flag covering the other half did not help him either. Loads of people wanted rid of the traditional politicians completely. https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... l-election

Quote ="Durham Giant"This is a good article about Labour in Hartlepool. It is also interesting that a lot of left wing Labour supporters could not stomach voting Labour. His leaflet on St George’s day with nothing on it other than I am the candidate and with a St. George’s flag covering the other half did not help him either. Loads of people wanted rid of the traditional politicians completely. https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... l-election'" So they're alienating leftys and normal ,way to go Kier

Quote ="Durham Giant"This is a good article about Labour in Hartlepool. It is also interesting that a lot of left wing Labour supporters could not stomach voting Labour. His leaflet on St George’s day with nothing on it other than I am the candidate and with a St. George’s flag covering the other half did not help him either. Loads of people wanted rid of the traditional politicians completely. https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... l-election'" So they're alienating leftys and normal ,way to go Kier

Did you see. / hear the interviews of Hartlepool voters in why the voted Tory.

One said, ‘ we had no food banks under Labour now we have seven” and he thought that was a positive.

The two interviewed this morning on the beeb stood in the Trincomalee states they voted Tory because there were not enough police and the local hospital had been run down.


All of the above problems caused by the Tories in the last 11 years.

Soon we will have ID cards as people sleep walk into it and a Gerrymanded voting system under Boris

Still at least Cloughie keeps the flag flying for socialism .

Aye typical rich socialist ,do as I say not as I do

Almost every significant social improvement to working class lives in the past 100 years came from Labour governments. Why do you suppose the party which opposed, and in many cases continues to oppose those things, are the right choice for working people?

It's all about identity politics on the right now. Left of centre policies may be more popular but unfortunately for Labour that's pretty irrelevant.

You could at least try to present some semblance of a reasonable argument to encourage some discussion.

Brian Clough on Champagne Socialism:

‘Of course I’m a Champagne Socialist. The difference between me and a good Tory is he keeps his money while I share mine.’

I have a nice picture of clough on a March for striking miners .

Did he share his I'll gotten gains

This sort of argument makes little sense. The problem is collective. Individual contributions to a collective problem don't address the issue. Indeed they are probably that thing Tories say they hate (but do all the time) - virtue signalling.

Wow which Ash Sakar piece did you copy for this

I wonder when the bailiffs will turn up at 10 Downing Street following its occupant receiving a CCJ, this must be a first and you must be so proud.

Its a disgrace

So the clean air act was passed under a Tory government, Health and safety at work act all the work was done under the Heath government, factories act was a Tory bill, first housing act under the liberals - other than the NHS and minimum wage what have Labour done?

It could be argued by allowing union power to rise unchallenged they contributed to the annihilation of British industry?

Whilst, I would pay good money to watch the bailiffs remove his new sofa and furniture.
This is more likely to be a "supplier" who hasn't done what was wanted and Bojo will have dug his heels in.

CCJ's are as a result of someone who no longer has the ability to pay or, someone who doesn't feel that they should pay due to certain circumstances.

Much as I despise Bojo, he doesn't fit into the first category here.

Yes, a judgement has now been passed in court and he will have to cough up, probably very reluctantly but, this looks like another overblown "story".

They should keep digging though as I'm sure that they will find plenty of more serious misdemeanors.

A CCJ means a judge agrees that the debt is due and he had a month to pay. I believe that was six months ago. I suppose he wanted to experience what life was like for many under a conservative government, the next thing is that he will be having to collect food from the Harrods food bank. The food hampers given by the Sultan of Brunei were recently confiscated because they broke the rules so he can no longer rely on them.

Not really bothered about Boris or the Tories ,more .bothered about how far Labour have sunk under momentum
and the shower of they have got as a shadow cabinet

You're more bothered with people who aren't in power than the people who every day are making policy and crucial decisions affecting your life?

Don't you ever reflect and think maybe your priorities are wrong?