We'd be better off spending money on re-educating bigoted spinsters, something for which there is a definite cure

Happy independence day! Leavers and remoaners.

Listening to Boris's spokesman on Newsnight yesterday evening, we now find that he is assuming that if it looks like the UK is going to leave with "no deal", the EU will come running back to the negotiating table and that he believes that there will be a new deal agreed and/or a free trade agreement with the EU.

I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

3 years on from the referendum and it still comes down to closing our eyes and hoping. It's no wonder that he had a fall out with the missus, she probably just told him that he's a plonker.

Boris is in exactly the same situation as May was. Groundhog Day.

Until there’s a solution to the Irish border question then I can’t see it happening.

In some ways, I'm glad that Johnson's shot at the job he's always wanted, comes at a time when he is doomed to fail; he won't get the concessions from the EU that he is claiming, he won't get a re-hashed version of May's deal through Parliament, and Parliament won't allow no deal, despite the best efforts of 150,000 Daily Mail reading golf club chairmen - so either way, he's screwed.

There is now a growing likelihood that enough Tory MP's will put the brakes on and bring down the Government, which is a delicious prospect; Johnson as both the shortest serving PM in UK history, and the man who destroyed the Tories as an electoral prospect for a generation.

That sounds like the best political synopsis of the last century.
Mrs May could well have left a little something around the rim of the poisoned chalice just to help things along



The greedy bar stewards are still promising tax cuts for those on over 50k, rather than reinstate some of the mental health and youth services that have been obliterated during the 10+ years of Tory austerity.

Just one cautionary note though, I believe that when the next election finally comes around, I'm not sure that Corbyn will be the many in charge.
There looks certain to be a coalition running the country, granted it will be different the Tory - DUP partnership that we have now but, we appear to be on the cusp of a whole new politics in the UK.
Maybe something good will come out of the referendum after all ?

Can’t see any party winning an overall majority in the current climate. It’s ironic that as parties themselves become more polarised to keep their most vocal supporters happy that they simultaneously alienate the support they need to form a majority.

As many have said, the political landscape is changing. I can see proportional representation within 10 years.

PR often leads to coalition government so smaller parties can have more of an influence, for good or bad, It also means governments can fall pretty quickly too when someone pulls out. Can’t see much of a majority for a no deal Brexit in the current parliament or any future one under PR. It’s just too divisive an issue, especially for the Conservatives who’ve struggled with Europe for nearly 50 years. PR if anything leads to policies being watered down in order to seek a compromise that will form a government.

Have any Labour MPs (apart from Hoey) said they’d support the Government in the event that there was a vote of no confidence triggered after a desire to go for no deal? I think the best the Government could hope for would be an abstention or two, and even then it’s a brave Labour MP that abstains on a vote of no confidence.

You're right about not too many Labour MP's voting with the government in a no confidence vote but, even though a few Tories have said that they would do it, its equally difficult to imagine any Tories bringing their own government down.

Right now a GE looks like it may happen but, the uncertainty over Brexit is going to run and run and with the ecconomy virtually flat lining already, the short term, at best, looks difficult.

It makes my blood boil when the hard Brexit brigade trivialise the fall out from a potential "no deal" Brexit as "there may a period of adjustment", while still being in utter denial that we could go from flat line to another recession.

Recession would be a given with Corbyn anywhere near power, that is for sure.

He's not at the helm currently and we're getting pretty close !

I think that Corbyn would actually help spark the ecconomy. The problem would that the growth would come from substantial borrowing, which isn't sustainable.
Labour has always borrowed heavily to fund public services etc and Corbyn does have some rather grand plans on re-nationalisation etc.
Of course, these companies would become "assets of the state" but, as usual, borrowing is always likely to cause problems eventually.

The Tories borrowed heavily when they took a stake in the banks, so it's not an exclusively left wing process but, Labour do have a habit of spending rather than paying down debt.

The balance is somewhere between Corbyn's aspirations and the current Tory austerity, something which has caused massive social issues.
Mental health and crime are out of control but, Boris wants tax cuts for his "mates" or, more accurately, for Tory party members, who may just vote him in as Prime Minister


Not too many people like Hunt, especially in the NHS but, he's somewhat more level headed than the PM elect, who, as Bren mentioned previously, could have the shortest time at no 10. It looks nailed on that he will break the record for the shortest term in office by a Conservative.

Obviously, history shows how much better your lords & masters are at managing the economy. The same genius minds as Blond & Bland who are going to cut taxes for the rich but increase spending.

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That's a lot of heavy reading for first thing in the morning !

At least it's only reading - he's done all the heavy lifting by doing the sums!

More leftism, Corbynomics, SPEND SPEND SPEND, TAX THE RICH.

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/201 ... onal-debt/ Quote ="IR80"More leftism, Corbynomics, SPEND SPEND SPEND, TAX THE RICH.'" That's the problem when you are so thick that you believe Mail & Sun headlines. Anything over 10 words & size 72 font is beyond you.

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/201 ... onal-debt/ Quote ="IR80"More leftism, Corbynomics, SPEND SPEND SPEND, TAX THE RICH.'" That's the problem when you are so thick that you believe Mail & Sun headlines. Anything over 10 words & size 72 font is beyond you.

I have never read The Sun or The Mail, I am just a bit more open minded than following politics that punish people that I am jealous of, I don't expect state handouts, I am not living in the 60's.

This is such an infantile level of debate, it's almost pointless to engage with... but - instead of one liners and rhetoric, what actual policies are you referring to?

Scrapping Tuition Fees
Nationalise Water Industries
Increase Income Tax
More Free Childcare
10,000 new Police Officers
3,000 new Firefighters
Reverse Privatisation of Royal Mail

but they are manifesto stuff, there don't seem to be many actual policy details

so TAX and SPEND

Entirely idealogical, uncosted, all ready to empty the coffers again.

I am in the higher tax band & would benefit from Boris's policy. Try again.
I have worked without interruption for 42 years. Try again.

How very self centred to think I was referring solely to you?

Congratulations on 42 years without interruption, think of all the handouts for others who don't have your work ethic you have funded and helped bloat the welfare state.

The water and rail industries need nationalising, a complete and utter Tory shambles.
They are not proper private industries either, just fatcat pay and bonuses with tied customers paying vast prices for crap services, no competition at all.

And Southern Water just been fined again by the regulator for polluting the south coast beaches with raw sewage and manipulating the test data to cover it up, again, this time 126 million, and guess who will end up paying that?
Another thatcher failure paid for by the taxpayer

And not to mention the financial crisis of 2010, caused by the bank gamblers but bailed out by socialism.s

And on and on, but when the average English guy is so stupid and propagandised , good work if you can get it.

Old school Socialists STILL blaming the greatest leader the country has ever seen.