I actually agree with you but, thankfully, we are unlikely to see them in charge.

However, the Prime Minister asked you to trust her to deliver a good Brexit deal and deliver a fair society.
I know this is unlikely to happen as, despite her "friends" on here, she will be gone in the near future and then you will all be saying just how poor she was.
Why are you in denial, when she would struggle to run a bath, successfully, never mind run the country.

And cringebin has achieved a LOSS in a general election, despits the biggest proposed handouts in recent history.

You say that like it was a surprise.
Labour were supposed to be facing oblivion after the election but, Mrs May has actually breathed life into Corbyn and his policies, you and Mrs May must be really proud of that

Very true. ATEOTD May won an election that had echo's of the 2010 Cameron win and Brown loss... didn't see Brown being hailed as some kind of hero in the aftermath, infact he was forced to fall on his sword for his failure.

The biggest thing here was May and her advisors not seeing the Labour party tactic of offering everything under the sun from a mile away were they to call this snap election, Corbyn had nothing to lose and everything to gain. Couple that with a head scratching, scarcely unbelievably bad manifesto and campaign in general by May and the conservatives, yet it Labour still lost and it wasn't really close.

I'm personally split on whether May should be axed, looking at the list of potential successors it isn't really filling me with inspiration.

Agree 100%, can't see any better candidate in waiting, the naievety and lessons learnt may lead to her being an even better PM.

Her biggest achievement is to turn a 20 point lead in the polls into a hung parliament in the GE, talk about setting the bar low.
Perhaps we have similar thoughts in her ability after all.

I agree with you she is a disaster and for the good of everyone she needs to go quickly - I am under no illusions as to her failing but unlike you I am also under no illusions at to the failing of the last 3 Labour PMs.

Please tell me what I thought about the last 3 Labour PM's ?

Unless you've hacked my phone and PC, I think you may struggle to know.
While you're at it, chuck in this week's winning lottery numbers.

Sal responded to a post of mine by mentioning the last three Labour PM's, insinuating I thought the sun shone out of their s, and it appears he's done the same with you. Odd.

Given you have omitted to mention any of their failing I have assumed - you cannot but do anything else - that you cannot find fault otherwise you would have mentioned it for balance and contextual reference - or am I overstating your powers of comparison?

Please see post above - myopia must be a Socialist thing

There you go, yet another assumption you've cast upon someone. Not doing very well today are you Sal?

You've heard the old adage not to assume as you can make an ass of yourself.

Callaghan was a nightmare

Blair, although he had some very good years, stayed at the helm too long and he will never be forgiven for having Bush's hand up his backside and Brown took a poisoned chalice.
Clearly, Blair never wanted Brown to succeed him and he was doomed to fail, which he spectacularly did.

I think that my powers of comparison are way ahead of the blinkered view's who can see no wrong with their own favoured party, similar to RL fans who can never see that a call against their side can ever be the correct call.

One of the few things that I agree with Corbyn on is that you need to listen to all views, even when they are different to your own but, apart from that, his plans are fundamentally flawed.

Mind you, with the spectre of Brexit almost upon us, little of our own politics matters as we will have so much crap to deal with over the next 3-5 years that domestic decisions will matter little.

When you listen to all sides, apart from the wild optimist's (who's number is getting fewer), we are in for some difficult years and that is without Tory austerity (if it still exists) or, Corbyn's spend, spend, spend.

The point I was trying to make is you can't say someone is the worst ever without qualifying it otherwise it has no context - compared to what?

I have said repeatedly she is a terrible leader and the sooner she goes the better.

The Tories are far from perfect but the do at least look after the wealth generators. Whether you agree with that or not is a mute point. In any society you will get winners and losers everyone is not equal and they never will be. If you want wealth generation it isn't going to happen by restricting the potential gains the wealth generators can make otherwise what is the incentive - altruism isn't an realistic incentive for very many to risk a lot and work really hard.

Most philanthropists/altruists have made/inherited fortunes BEFORE becoming generous, it's easy to give away $25m when you have $3bn

So for our resident diehard Tories - how did the queen's speech play for you? All of the big ticket items in the already flimsy manifesto were omitted or watered down - and she still doesn't have a deal with the DUP, which leaves her totally hamstrung. Latest reports are that the Barnett consequentials resulting from their demands for funding for NI would be eye-watering sums of money - so that deal is still far from done. Meanwhile, Philip Hammond is openly contradicting her on Brexit, and she has to start her tenure post a disastrous election, with an admission that the state failed the victims of a disaster, while thousands of people took to the streets of London to demand her resignation.

To top off the indignity, even her maj trolled Mrs May, by wearing a Euro-hat instead of her crown. Ouch.

To be fair, once a German, always a German

The final straw was Boris being interviewed on R4 tonight - I bet he will not forget the mauling he got from Eddie Mair - all down to a silly little girl. She cannot last beyond the summer.

The saving grace is the DUP hate Labour even more than the Tories so May knows she is safe - she needs to hope bi-elections are in safe Labour seats.

Nothing on reduced austerity so not all conceded - Labour must be looking forward to the next 12 months in opposition - but as May pointed out Labour were soundly beaten and as such have little to crow about.

And yet they are - and Mr Corbyn appears more... prime ministerial with each passing day, don't you agree?

I think the only thing keeping her alive right now is that most MP's realise that if they off her now and Boris takes over, the party will fall harder than the Lib Dems did when Clegg sold his soul to become David Cameron's tea bitch.

The one sure thing at the moment is that, should there be a re-run of the GE, the Tories would come second, which, considering where we were 3 months ago, is unbelievable.
This does beg the question, is she the worst prime minister ever ?

(The Queen's Speech, wasn't worth everybody's time in getting dressed up and with the rumours that there wont be one next year (as there wont be time, due to Brexit), what are we paying our MP's for.
They should be on half salaries

Not at all Corbyn looks more like a Blair with everyday - stage managed, vacuous, insincere and in denial.

On Newsnight the Labour shadow minister suggested Labour were going to press forward with their manifesto!! until Evan pointed out they lost the election - Labour are in complete denial they got beat by 1m votes and 60 seats not a small defeat.

That's the daftest thing you've said in a while; the qualities that have won Corbyn so much support are that he's the opposite of stage managed, vacuous or in denial - he's natural, easy with real people, and he actually believes what he's saying - the latter being so rare in politics, that it's engaged many people who were previously disenfranchised.

Meanwhile, Boris does an interview on R4 and is harshly reminded by Eddie Maer that running the country is not a Bullingdon Club wheeze; if he's the best they've got to offer as an alternative, there is little wonder that the PM is being held against her will in no 10.

Labour may not be technically able to deliver their manifesto - but the election result has already forced the Tories to drop a lot of the egregious policies that their expected landslide would have allowed them to enact; and Labour will continue to frustrate them in parliament, particularly if Theresa keeps pi$$ing off the DUP.

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The DUP won't like those

Corbyn held all his rallies in very safe Labour seats - are you saying that wasn't stage managed? He went to Grenfell hugged a few people and then left what practical help did or his colleagues offer? Public "shows" of sorrow are just that unless they are backed up by action? He engaged young people by offering them a huge carrot - it was the carrot and not him that got them out to vote.

Agree on Boris I thought he was smarter than that - you cannot defend the indefensible the fact May put him in that position through her own stupidity suggest she is trying quash all opposition to her leadership.

The result showed one thing if you promise everything to everybody it will have a positive impact. What it did also show id the old adage "you can fool some of the people all the time, all the people some of the time but you cannot fool all the people all the time" Their manifesto couldn't be delivered and that became more evident the more stuff they promised.

Labour will lose face if they deliberately tamper with the natural order of Parliament like a bunch of school kids.

Don't forget if Labour were in power they would be reliant on the support of Queen Nicola which would be equally as bad if not worse - I surprised she didn't stand in for the Queen yesterday