There are many UFOs and ever will be. However, whatever they are, their origins are terrestrial.

I can accept that many people believe they have seen aliens or even had encounters with aliens, but then far greater numbers also believe in ghosts and deities. Many are sincere, many are fakers, but there have been no more visitations to Earth by intelligent alien lifeforms than there have been gods or spirits.

The first connection between all these is the human mind, which has proved itself extremely susceptible to suggestion, brainwashing and delusion. The second is that there is no scientific proof that any ghost, deity or alien has ever actually been observed, which given the billions of claimed sightings or experiences, kind of gives the game away, to my way of thinking.

I a sure that there are and have been almost countless forms of "life" elsewhere in the vastness of the Universe but the distances are such and the timescales are such that it is to me exceedingly improbable, as near to impossible as makes no difference, that in the cosmic instant that humanity has existed, this has co-incided not only with the co-existence of an extremely advanced technological civilization that has cracked interstellar travel, but has somehow found us in the enormity of the cosmos (in itself a bit like finding one specific electron in a haystack the size of the planet).

To me, statistically humans are likely to wipe themselves out of existence within maybe a few centuries, maybe much less and thus will have existed, astronomically, for no time at all. whatever, given the microwindow of time to find us to date, and the vast expanse of the Universe in which you'd have to search, the odds of a chance encounter (which it would have to be given lack of any way of detection) might be like the odds of winning every lottery in the world daily for a millennium - to all intents and purposes, none.

Aliens is just another crazy religion. There are at least hundreds of religions and the adherents of each are emphatic that every other religion is wrong, and worships a false god. They are right. They just need to make the final step and realise that their own god is just as absurd.

Those who invent and explore theories about cover-ups of things in space should get in a room and fight it out with their co-conspiracists who claim no craft have ever left the planet and all the images are CGI or from a studio in Hollywood. Maybe they could make it a three-way scarp by inviting those who even deny the existence of a spinning globe, or planets, galaxies or any of the 100% proven millions of celestial bodies, weighed, measured and classified. Each of these three cadres of conspiracy theorist would say the other two kinds are deluded and have it completely wrong. Like religionists, they are right, but just need to go the extra step and realize they themselves are just as much in error.

There is no evidence of the existence of intelligent alien life on or visiting to this planet just like no ghosts and no gods. But if somehow an alien race did make the improbable leap, it seems even mor bizarre that they would keep coming and coming in droves, for decades, and that NASA and other conspiracists would desperately try to hide any evidence of alien presence/visits, when the aliens themselves seem to be making such an immensely bad job of operating covertly. I mean, if you can reach Earth from hundreds of light years away - why do you need headlights or other flashing lamps? Why would you wobble improbably over miscellaneous cities in your flying saucer or cigar? Why would you "buzz" satellites or spacecraft or planes? The suggestion is preposterous to me - what would such an advanced race learn from flying by a 747 or a satellite? Would space propulsion scientists seek to learn from a flyby of a six-year old muddling along the pavement on a scooter? It's risible, isn't it?

Why would you fly around at random places at night, when you can't be seen, but announce your presence by lighting up your covert craft like a Christmas tree on steroids?

And if the knowledge of the existence of alien life is what "they" are so bent on "keeping from us", for incomprehensible reasons, (riots? whatever?) then how does that square with the apparent case that of the large numbers of "witnesses" who claim personal experience of aliens, none have to date, so far as I know, rioted as a result of their belief that aliens have visited?

In my opinion, if there was an official announcement tomorrow that we have just received a broadcast from an alien race on Planet Zog, most people would be keenly interested (space stories are widely read/viewed if interestingly presented) but other than that, most people would just get on with their lives even if they would have a highly top-of-the-list new topic to discuss. I cannot think of one single believable reason why all governments of the world, many of whom would readily kill each other, would nevertheless conspire on the single issue of keeping officially schtumm on the proof of existence of aliens.

Who knows? Does this help, from South Yorks Police?

[i Hahahaha masturbating Firstly you know my stance upon this subject regarding Creationism so you'll be glad to hear my contribution will be minimal as to when/if i'll post upon this UFO subject. I believe the American military have indeed got a Super Technical Advanced Aircraft that most people confuse as Alien craft etc... Obviously i dismiss the belief of Alien life form but duly acknowledge or respect your ideology. Many years ago i became passionate in the truth movement beginning with 9/11, which lead me onto a fantastic researcher called Bill Cooper, Now if you haven't heard of Bill he was killed 6 weeks after predicting Osama Bin Laden and the 9/11 false flag [/i

[iI've been reading into William Cooper a lot as of late and was wondering if anyone had seen/heard Cooper's testimonies. Cooper was a former naval intelligence officer with high security clearance, they don't give that to Nutters. he also saw things whilst serving on board Navy vessels which just astounded him, secret technology and so on. after one sighting his ship was detoured to Malta and spooks came on board to threaten the whole crew to keep silent, I know Cooper originally was an expert of UFO's and the Government involvement but later on he said it was disinformation or something along those lines from the Government? Cooper in the end legitimately believed ALL of the Alien issue was lies and hoaxing by the government to cover things up? I'm under the assumption the Aliens were going to be used to further the NWO agenda. Cooper had a lot of in depth and accurate information but did a full U-turn iin the end so I'm curious as to his final verdict on it. I do genuinely believe he was trying to wake people up. Personal views always clutter great truths when trying to put the unknown pieces of the puzzle together. From what I've seen about 90% of what he says rings pretty solid. So there's my stance this Super Aero technology, it is true and Area 51 is obviously the hub for this Super Duper Technology but IMHO its definitely humans piloting the Aircraft.[/i

Yes, I know a lot about Bill Cooper. He's been dismissed as a crank by the authorities. But if he was a crank he was the most remarkably well informed crank in America.

Denials that he was ever a member of the intelligence services should be completely ignored as anybody with any kind of sense knows that agents are - as a matter of policy - disavowed the moment they leave the service (although few ever do).

Cooper clearly knew a lot. And I have no doubt that he was offed before he opened his mouth further. IIRC, the original search warrant for the group which eventually went on to fill him full of lead was meant to be served on September 11th 2001 but was delayed by six weeks.

Cooper believed most of the military reports on UFOs were counter-intelligence. Disinformation. But he was adamant that the reports of two crashed vehicles in Axteca containing human body parts were true and a secret which they were desperately trying to keep a lid on.

Let me say that I can't rule out the possibility of a massive disinformation campaign (which constitutes arguably the biggest conspiracy ever perpetrated). But as the old saying goes - [i"If something walks like a duck, quacks like a duck etc. etc."[/i

Suffice to say SOMETHING is screwing around in craft which have been observed not just on earth but loitering in several regions of the inner solar system. There are just too many cases and despite what others would have us believe - people are pretty good at recalling memories - especially when they coincide with stressful situations.

If you read the Rendalsham report they admit the existence of not just UFOs but UFOs which interact with observers. The clever bit (which I suspect is to do with tricking people launching FOIA requests) is they don't CALL them UFOs.

One of the interesting things I noticed which seems to tie up with another phenomenon I never really bothered with is the design layout of this supposed electro-gravitic drive fitted inside the TR-3B.

Those people who claim to have seen it have counted exactly the same number of spokes which were noticed in the very first crop circles.

Over 95% of crop circles I'm positive are fake. But their relatively sudden appearance and the subsequent explosion of copy-cat instances always confused me.

I can understand people doing it as a bit of a craze. Maybe even some kind of art statement. But it strikes me as the kind of thing you'd very quickly become bored with. Who wants to tramp around a farmer's field every day with a plank of wood?

Given that they seem to be the product of a very small number of people I now suspect they are largely meant to divert people's attention. Recall that early crop circles very often left an imprint which could be seen in the next year's crop. Moreover, many people claim to have experienced weird electrical phenomena when standing at their centre.

But it's the fact that the number of spokes in these early circles appears to match precisely the number of inlaid alloy spokes reported as existing in the base of this electro-gravitic drive which interests me. It's certainly possible that a charged, rotating plasma field could interact with whatever sits below it. We know that the US routinely based many of its most advanced spy-planes in the UK (such as the U2 & the SR-71). So it's certainly possible they'd base a craft of this specification here too.

Why would a plasma powered vehicle routinely land in fields of crops at dead of night, though?

The first part of your quote is correct. Those planes were based in the UK at various points. The second half is wrong though. The US would never put any experimental aircraft or technology outside of the USA. They would put aircraft that weren't experimental, something 'in service' abroad but nothing experimental. Countries tend to keep its investments and secrets within its own borders at early stages. I was a Military Intelligence Analyst and worked in the most sensitive Military areas in the UK including the American bases. The truth is a lot less sensational than some seem to make out. There simply isn't any experimental aircraft in the UK from any nation. We're too broke as a nation to invest in such things and the US only bases in service aircraft over here, and has only ever done so. Aircraft such as the U2 were 'secret' in the loosest sense of the word, but were not experimental in any way. The first U2 came into service in 1957 after being 'experimental' for two years.

Plasma drives and crop circles may have validity in some other area but they certainly have no validity within the UK military or UK based US military. They simply don't exist in that context.

This thread must sit in the top 3 of all topics for the highest average number of words per post.

Interesting article: [urlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-35411684[/url

[url=http://noisey.vice.com/en_uk/blog/neil-degrasse-tyson-bob-diss-track-holy--flats-to-fact?utm_source=vicefbukAmerican rapper BoB continues feud with scientist Neil Tyson over crackpot 'flat Earth' theory.[/url

Because internet.

Not a great contest.

Delusional rap 'artist' vs Astrophysicist on the subject of the earth being flat.

Of course, you risk inviting RLFans very own delusional to cast blinkered judgement and deflect reality and facts like he was made of anti-rational teflon.

Don't say I didn't warn you...

Typical Darwinians bristle with rage and snarl, and engage in absurd ad hominem attacks as they impotently fight tooth and nail for the survival of their unnaturally selected Religion

BOOM!

Unlike the magic man in the sky, he appears!

Yeah, I'm frothing and dripping sweat and bile in an incredible rage! Pffft...



You just can't resist letting your little fingers tap out fantasies.

[url=http://m.esa.int/var/esa/storage/images/esa_multimedia/images/2016/01/perspective_view_in_noctis_labyrinthus/15780251-1-eng-GB/Perspective_view_in_Noctis_Labyrinthus_article_mob.jpgNASA's LATEST MARS IMAGE.[/url The bets are on. Which Deserted area of Earth was it taken. Soon to be revealed.

Almost?

Good grief. This place really has gone to the dogs, hasn't it?

One or two people posting on here appear to need professional help.

Even in a minority of one the truth is still the truth...

To the Schizophrenic who believes he's the messiah, his truth is the only truth. Doesn't make it true though.

Slander becomes the tool of the loser. I forgive and feel sorry for you. The angst you portray must get you down. I'll pray for you. Oh And Jesus is The Messiah i'm just lucky to Trust his words.

It was an analogy you uneducated fool, and slander is when someone damages your reputation. The only one doing that is yourself.

More ad hominem I Still pity you too. All that angst. You need the Holy Spirit in your life. Repent and Call out. That horrible angst doesn't do you any good. Thats Atheism for you

The Holy Spirit? The one that raped a married virgin, apparently? Why would anyone want anything to do with such a knob, even if he did exist?