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| Quote ="Hull White Star"My American father died alone, in a motel room, of bowel cancer. He was a truck driver therefore self employed. For some reason none of us can fathom, (other than affordability) he didn't have health insurance. I had seen him, suffereing, a few months before he died but because he was a very private man I didn't know the extent of his illness. He was 55 years old.
I do believe, caught early enough, bowel cancer is one of the most treatable cancers. Had he lived here in the UK, I would still have my dad. He died not because his cancer was untreatable but because he didn't have the means to pay for treatment. In a country like America, this is despicable.'"
My own dad is just recovering from bowel cancer, he is 60. It was caught fairly early a year ago and is now well on his way to recovery.
While his treatment and care were by no means perfect he did have access to a very good standard of care for which I am very grateful.
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| Scarrie;
we may be divided by colours, but all the best to your dad, hope he gets down to the KC next season. some stories on here that show how special/important the NHS is, lets keep it that way. To me, it's very strange how Americans see a NHS style thing can be so bad.
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| the most fecked up thing about Americans I've spoken to is that they all expected Obama to have fixed everything by now
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| Quote ="WIZEB"He's a political activist mate.
That's what they tend to do.
Have an opinion like.
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I haven't a problem with opinions as long as they're based on facts.
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| Quote ="Live Wired" To me, it's very strange how Americans see a NHS style thing can be so bad.'"
It's because they have not known any different and prior to 1948, neither did we.
Before the NHS people died simply because they couldn't afford a doctor, in fact many never even got to become people, simply because there were no trained midwives available, unless you could afford them.
As others have already stated, the seemingly invincibility of youth comes into play: "I'm fine, why should I pay for others?" They conveninetly ignore the fact that they will not always be young, fit and active
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| Quote ="Sheldon"I haven't a problem with opinions as long as they're based on facts.'"
Admirably 'utopian'.
Ballocks makes the world go round.
He's probably far more factual than many others in higher political office.
That's why he can be.
Here's one then...........
How many hundreds of thousands of innocent lives were lost because of these two lying?
Suppose it was just them putting their spin on it?
At least we've democracised Iraq.
[urlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18950706[/url
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| Quote ="Mintball"You know perfectly well, my dear WIZEB, that I agree with Desmond Tutu on the issue of Blair and friends over Iraq, and have been saying so for some years.
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| Quote ="WIZEB"Admirably 'utopian'.
Ballocks makes the world go round.
He's probably far more factual than many others in higher political office.
That's why he can be.
Here's one then...........
How many hundreds of thousands of innocent lives were lost because of these two lying?
Suppose it was just them putting their spin on it?
At least we've democracised Iraq.
[urlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18950706[/url'"
I never mentioned either of them, are you suggesting he can spin how he wants because others do?
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| Quote ="Sheldon"I never mentioned either of them, are you suggesting he can spin how he wants because others do?'"
No, just that the world we now live in virtually depends upon it, and that anybody who doesn't get that, is ridiculously naive.
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| I know it's part of the world, I just don't like it.
And I don't expect to watch films that are virtually propaganda.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"I know it's part of the world, I just don't like it.
And I don't expect to watch films that are virtually propaganda.'"
I suggest you stick to the status quo of ABC news then if Mr Moore challenges your sensitivies.
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| Quote ="WIZEB"I suggest you stick to the status quo of ABC news then if Mr Moore challenges your sensitivies.'"
Only when he lies.
Lets face it you don't have to lie to make those 2 look like "s".
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| Back to t'topic.
Daily polltacker. [urlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19415745[/url
Neck and neck.
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| It'll be ok, the christians will save the world...
[urlhttp://commit2vote2012.com/[/url
Now the thing is, you might expect that would mean lots of votes for Obama, and social care, and suffer the meek to come to me for healthcare and all that jazz...
But,
That link was posted on Facebook by someone I know, a Utah resident, a mormon, and as we already all know, Utah mormons tend to believe that Romney isn't quite going far enough with his plans to scrap ObamaCare, they'd prefer it if he scrapped tax full stop, "don't take the money off us to give to poor people, we'll pay for everything ourselves thank you", its yet another baffling American paradox that those who are rabidly christian (not only the mormons) are often the least socially aware or socially caring, the collection trays in their churches must be empty every week.
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| Quote ="WIZEB"I suggest you stick to the status quo of ABC news then if Mr Moore challenges your sensitivies.'"
Deary me.
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| Quote ="JerryChicken"It'll be ok, the christians will save the world...
[urlhttp://commit2vote2012.com/[/url
Now the thing is, you might expect that would mean lots of votes for Obama, and social care, and suffer the meek to come to me for healthcare and all that jazz...
But,
That link was posted on Facebook by someone I know, a Utah resident, a mormon, and as we already all know, Utah mormons tend to believe that Romney isn't quite going far enough with his plans to scrap ObamaCare, they'd prefer it if he scrapped tax full stop, "don't take the money off us to give to poor people, we'll pay for everything ourselves thank you", its yet another baffling American paradox that those who are rabidly christian (not only the mormons) are often the least socially aware or socially caring, the collection trays in their churches must be empty every week.'"
Voices Of The Committed it says at the bottom - are they allowed to have their say ?
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"Voices Of The Committed it says at the bottom - are they allowed to have their say ?'"
They should all be committed - that level of indoctrination and delusion, were it not manifested in a recognised religion, would often lead to being committed.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"As others have already stated, the seemingly invincibility of youth comes into play: "I'm fine, why should I pay for others?" They conveninetly ignore the fact that they will not always be young, fit and active'"
Maybe it is because a lot of them are tantamount to being religious nutters so if a lack of money means they can't avoid the grim reaper it's God's will?
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| And yet when Reagan's health started to decline, the right were suddenly very interested in the positive effects of baby-murdering stem cell research to the point of trying to get more money pumped into it.
Sheer self interest rules the day.
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| Good to see that the US doesn't have a monopoly on christian nutjobs. This guy is Australian I believe:
[url=https://twitter.com/ww3isnearGraeme Bell[/url
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Good to see that the US doesn't have a monopoly on christian nutjobs. This guy is Australian I believe:
[url=https://twitter.com/ww3isnearGraeme Bell[/url'"
The internet – bringing nutters to a screen in front of you.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Good to see that the US doesn't have a monopoly on christian nutjobs. This guy is Australian I believe:
[url=https://twitter.com/ww3isnearGraeme Bell[/url'"
Shouldn't his last name be hyphenated with End?
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| Quote ="Kosh"Shouldn't his last name be hyphenated with End?'"
Don't you just love that stupid phrase: 'debate me'.
There's no debate about you, you cretin: you're a nutter,
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| I wouldn't be surprised to find out it's Tony Abbott.
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| What was the general consensus in this country pre NHS about bringing it in, and in other countries that have a National health service?
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