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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"A campaign that no-one here is interested in apart from you ? Marriage should be for all and not just between man and woman.'"
Over 500,000 have signed the petition.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Over 500,000 have signed the petition.'"
Maybe one day they'll join the 21st Century and not be stuck in the past. No doubt they are right wing Christian fundamentalists.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Over 500,000 have signed the petition.'"
And millions of flies eat s h i t, what is your point?
The people behind this are bigots, bigots hiding behind a bigoted book.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Didn't ask for grief guys, or a debate, I just wanted to promote a campaign which is close to my heart.'"
Surely if you want to promote the campaign you should welcome the debate as an opportunity to enlighten the various posters who have questioned something which is close to your heart?
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| Quote ="SBR"Surely if you want to promote the campaign you should welcome the debate as an opportunity to enlighten the various posters who have questioned something which is close to your heart?'"
I'm willing to defend the campaign but a simple "thanks, but no thanks" would have sufficed, rather than a load of anti-Christian abuse.
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| It's not anti-christian, it's anti-bigot.
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| Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"It's not anti-christian, it's anti-bigot.'"
There's a difference?
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| Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"It's not anti-christian, it's anti-bigot.'"
Christianity is not bigotry.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"I'm willing to defend the campaign but a simple "thanks, but no thanks" would have sufficed, rather than a load of anti-Christian abuse.'"
I can't see one post thats anti christian. You cannot post something as contentious as you have without sparking some sort of debate, afterall this is a forum for debate.
Just a few points on your petition:
[uPeople should not feel pressurised to go along with same-sex marriage just because of political correctness.[/u
No, people go along with same sex marriage because we live in a society that (on the whole) doesn't descriminate. Doesn't it say in the bible love thy neighbour and God doesn't descriminate?
[uThey should be free to express their views[/u
Just like people are doing on here you mean?
[u the consultation provides an opportunity for members of the public to say they do not agree with redefining marriage.[/u
There are 70 million people in the UK and you have 500,000 signatures. That means 69.5 million haven't agreed with you. You are in the minority here.
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If marriage is redefined, those who believe in traditional marriage will be sidelined [/u
For me to understand your campain better and make an informed decision could you please explain how you think I as a married woman will be sidelined when I know for a fact I will not be sidelined as I'm not as bigoted as you.
[uIt's not discriminatory to support traditional marriage. Same-sex couples may choose to have a civil partnership but no one has the right to redefine marriage for the rest of us.[/u
The first line is rather contradictory to the rest of the sentance imo. You are trying to persuade us you are not being descrimatory then go on to be descimatory by saying same sex couples can only be allowed to have a civil partnership but because its a same sex union they can't get married. And by "rest of us" I assume you are talking about hetrosexual couples? No discrimation there then.
If your views are "Christian" then I'm glad I'm not in your gang.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Christianity is not bigotry.'"
I must've missed the memo when christians became the sole owners and definers of the ancient and aboriginal ceremony of marriage.
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| Quote ="Hull White Star"Just a few points on your petition:
No, people go along with same sex marriage because we live in a society that (on the whole) doesn't descriminate. Doesn't it say in the bible love thy neighbour and God doesn't descriminate?'"
I come up against this argument a lot. Do you think God would disagree with Christians saying theft or murder is wrong? No, he wouldn't. Sin is sin. Loving thy neighbour is doing as you would be done. I would hope my fellow brothers would strive to correct me if I were sinning.
Quote ="Hull White Star"[uThey should be free to express their views[/u
Just like people are doing on here you mean?'"
I agree, freedom of speech is important. However I reserve the right to admonish those who abuse it to libel my viewpoint.
Quote ="Hull White Star"[uthe consultation provides an opportunity for members of the public to say they do not agree with redefining marriage.[/u
There are 70 million people in the UK and you have 500,000 signatures. That means 69.5 million haven't agreed with you. You are in the minority here.'"
No.
A counter-petition exists. It has in the region of ~25,000 signatories. So who is in the minority?
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If marriage is redefined, those who believe in traditional marriage will be sidelined [/u
For me to understand your campain better and make an informed decision could you please explain how you think I as a married woman will be sidelined when I know for a fact I will not be sidelined as I'm not as bigoted as you.'"
You will have you marriage labelled as being the same as a plainly sinful union.
Quote ="Hull White Star"[uIt's not discriminatory to support traditional marriage. Same-sex couples may choose to have a civil partnership but no one has the right to redefine marriage for the rest of us.[/u
The first line is rather contradictory to the rest of the sentance imo. You are trying to persuade us you are not being descrimatory then go on to be descimatory by saying same sex couples can only be allowed to have a civil partnership but because its a same sex union they can't get married. And by "rest of us" I assume you are talking about hetrosexual couples? No discrimation there then.'"
Again, you're getting hooked up on discrimination. I believe same-sex relations to be wrong. Do you think society discriminates against murderers or rapists by sending them to prison?
Quote ="Hull White Star"If your views are "Christian" then I'm glad I'm not in your gang.'"
That is your prerogative. I can but share the Good News.
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Quote ="kirkstaller"Over 500,000 have signed the petition.'"
Only the bigots responsible for this petition have been a little less than honest in how many people have actually signed the petition and it appears that they have been fudging the data somewhat.
www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/04/08/an ... ntruthful/
And yes it is a gay website but don't worry you won't turn gay by clicking on the link.
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Quote ="kirkstaller"Over 500,000 have signed the petition.'"
Only the bigots responsible for this petition have been a little less than honest in how many people have actually signed the petition and it appears that they have been fudging the data somewhat.
www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/04/08/an ... ntruthful/
And yes it is a gay website but don't worry you won't turn gay by clicking on the link.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Do you think society discriminates against murderers or rapists by sending them to prison?'"
Because that's the same thing isn't it?
You've just embarassed yourself by stating that people who choose to share their love with someone of the same sex are equivilant to those who take a life or violate others against their will. Any credability you may have had just flew out the window.
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Quote ="Gareth1984"Only the bigots responsible for this petition have been a little less than honest in how many people have actually signed the petition and it appears that they have been fudging the data somewhat.
www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/04/08/an ... ntruthful/
And yes it is a gay website but don't worry you won't turn gay by clicking on the link.'"
Gay site tries to debase majority opinion shock!
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www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/04/08/an ... ntruthful/
And yes it is a gay website but don't worry you won't turn gay by clicking on the link.'"
Gay site tries to debase majority opinion shock!
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| its just not worth arguing with a bigot suffering from religious delusion. I have no problem with anyone believing any crap they like but when they attempt impose their supernatural views on the lives of other people they cross the line
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| Quote ="supportplay"d040.gif Because that's the same thing isn't it?
You've just embarassed yourself by stating that people who choose to share their love with someone of the same sex are equivilant to those who take a life or violate others against their will. Any credability you may have had just flew out the window.'"
Both are acts which condemn us to Hell. Sin is sin.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Christianity is not bigotry.'"
Nobody has equated christianity with bigotry. However those christians who oppose equal rights for gays certainly are bigots. Nobody, however has suggested that the many christians who have no problem with gay marriage or homosexuality in general are bigots.
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| now Im thinking you are taking the . No one in the twenty first century spouts this kind of crap surely. You'll be telling us earth is 6000 years old next.
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| Quote ="rhino phil"now Im thinking you are taking the mickey. No one in the twenty first century spouts this kind of crap surely. You'll be telling us earth is 6000 years old next.'"
The Bible does not say how old the Earth is. Some scholars have made their own calculations using genealogy and other historical events, which is where the 6000 figure comes from. However I don't think the Bible is clear on the issue.
That said, I believe humans were made in their present form (God's image).
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Both are acts which condemn us to Hell. Sin is sin.'"
If I don't believe in heaven guess what? I don't believe in hell either. I chose to be accountable in this life and not live in fear of the ever decreasing unknown that the majority of world religions prey upon for their loyalty. The dark ages were a long time ago. As with marriage, morality existed long before people tried to dictate their own version of it through religious doctrine. Do you honestly think the early christians would recognise what you claim to be christianity. Evolution is a beautiful thing yet some christian would like to believe that doesn't exist either.
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| Quote ="supportplay"If I don't believe in heaven guess what? I don't believe in hell either.'"
That doesn't matter. If a convicted drug-dealer says he doesn't believe in prison, does that make the punishment go away?
Quote ="Hull White Star"I chose to be accountable in this life and not live in fear of the ever decreasing unknown that the majority of world religions prey upon for their loyalty. '"
That is the very definition of self-righteousness.
Quote ="Hull White Star"Do you honestly think the early christians would recognise what you claim to be christianity.'"
My faith is firmly grounded in the Pentecost and the early church.
Quote ="Hull White Star"Evolution is a beautiful thing yet some christian would like to believe that doesn't exist either.'"
Including me, but being a beautiful concept does not make it real.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Quote ="rhino phil"now Im thinking you are taking the mickey. No one in the twenty first century spouts this kind of crap surely. You'll be telling us earth is 6000 years old next.'"
The Bible does not say how old the Earth is. Some scholars have made their own calculations using genealogy and other historical events, which is where the 6000 figure comes from. However I don't think the Bible is clear on the issue.
That said, I believe humans were made in their present form (God's image).'"
Yep, a definite and obvious troll.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"The Bible does not say how old the Earth is. Some scholars have made their own calculations using genealogy and other historical events, which is where the 6000 figure comes from. However I don't think the Bible is clear on the issue.
That said, I believe humans were made in their present form (God's image).'"
and radiometric date places the earth age at 4.5billion years. Please tell me you accept darwinian theory of evolution instead of some garden of eden fairy story
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Quote ="kirkstaller"Over 500,000 have signed the petition.'"
Including Rock God & me
Quote ="Rock God X"Well, I've signed it. Can't have those filthy faggots ruining the great institution of marriage for people like Britney Spears and Katie Price.'"
Quote ="cod'ead"I signed it too but somehow I can't imagine my Chinese alter-ego (Fuk-yu) being taken too seriously but I'll wait to see if they reply to my e-mail address (fuk-yu@ifukmen.com) or write to my postcode (SW1A 2AA)'"
Somehow I don't think we'll be alone in our sarcasm. It just points to your organisation's lack of any coherent argument.
And in case anyone is interested, I really do share the same postcode as David Cameron.
Honest, I really, really do
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Quote ="kirkstaller"Over 500,000 have signed the petition.'"
Including Rock God & me
Quote ="Rock God X"Well, I've signed it. Can't have those filthy faggots ruining the great institution of marriage for people like Britney Spears and Katie Price.'"
Quote ="cod'ead"I signed it too but somehow I can't imagine my Chinese alter-ego (Fuk-yu) being taken too seriously but I'll wait to see if they reply to my e-mail address (fuk-yu@ifukmen.com) or write to my postcode (SW1A 2AA)'"
Somehow I don't think we'll be alone in our sarcasm. It just points to your organisation's lack of any coherent argument.
And in case anyone is interested, I really do share the same postcode as David Cameron.
Honest, I really, really do
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| this is a first class piece of trolling or taking
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