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Dawn Butler - workers will be able to pick and choose the hours they want to work!! wow - just let that sink in
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Dawn Butler - workers will be able to pick and choose the hours they want to work!! wow - just let that sink in'"
and can business owners decide to sack them on the spot for refusing to work when needed?, a job is a privilege, not a right.
So Labour want an employer to offer 37.5 hour a week contracts, pension, holiday, maternity, menopause counselling, but the employee can pick and choose when they work?
and people are considering voting for these lunatics.
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Labour have two big issues - financial credibility - whatever you say about austerity one thing you can't say is the Tories have been profligate with the monies
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Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"This is simply not true. The conservatives have repeated the lie so many times lots of people believe it, but it’s not true.
Labour last came to power in 1997
1997 debt as % of GDP 43.4%
10 years of a labour government
2007 debt as a % of GDP 41.7%
The the Global Financial Crisis
Conservatives gain power in 2010
2010 debt as a % of GDP 75.2%
10 years of a conservative government
2019 debt as % of GDP 85.2%'"
Throughout the whole 3 term parliaments of the last Labour government the UK had the top possible credit rating of AAA
Under the conservatives this was downgraded in 2013, and then downgraded again in 2017. This is now in danger of been downgraded a third time under our current government.
Sal can you explain how the conservatives are “ profligate with the monies“ compared to Labour?
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Labour have two big issues - financial credibility - whatever you say about austerity one thing you can't say is the Tories have been profligate with the monies
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Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"This is simply not true. The conservatives have repeated the lie so many times lots of people believe it, but it’s not true.
Labour last came to power in 1997
1997 debt as % of GDP 43.4%
10 years of a labour government
2007 debt as a % of GDP 41.7%
The the Global Financial Crisis
Conservatives gain power in 2010
2010 debt as a % of GDP 75.2%
10 years of a conservative government
2019 debt as % of GDP 85.2%'"
Throughout the whole 3 term parliaments of the last Labour government the UK had the top possible credit rating of AAA
Under the conservatives this was downgraded in 2013, and then downgraded again in 2017. This is now in danger of been downgraded a third time under our current government.
Sal can you explain how the conservatives are “ profligate with the monies“ compared to Labour?
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Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"Throughout the whole 3 term parliaments of the last Labour government the UK had the top possible credit rating of AAA
Under the conservatives this was downgraded in 2013, and then downgraded again in 2017. This is now in danger of been downgraded a third time under our current government.
Sal can you explain how the conservatives are “ profligate with the monies“ compared to Labour?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc. ... s-50361025'"
The gist of the article you quoted is that we need to keep the austerity policy and sort brexit. Is that what you want? |
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Under the conservatives this was downgraded in 2013, and then downgraded again in 2017. This is now in danger of been downgraded a third time under our current government.
Sal can you explain how the conservatives are “ profligate with the monies“ compared to Labour?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc. ... s-50361025'"
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise" When asked not one senior Labour politician can suggest any eventuality whereby any deal they negotiate would be better than remain.'"
This is really interesting as NOBODY is actually saying that we will be better off if we leave. Yes, The European court MAY not be able to over rule our laws but, better off on the outside of the EU  you are funny.
Everything that we now hear is thet leaving will be worth taking "a hit" and with the economic gloom gathering over the planet, we are volunteering another recession - interesting take on better off 
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"This is really interesting as NOBODY is actually saying that we will be better off if we leave. Yes, The European court MAY not be able to over rule our laws but, better off on the outside of the EU
you are funny.
Everything that we now hear is thet leaving will be worth taking "a hit" and with the economic gloom gathering over the planet, we are volunteering another recession - interesting take on better off
And the craziest thin of all are the spending pledges on both sides, which in a time of probable recession will only make matters worse.'"
So why don't Labour simple campaign as a remain party and stop the idea that they are anything else?
The idea that EU membership somehow protects you from a recession is not true and has been proved numerous times to be a false perception.
Labour's spending plans are not credible - £1.2tn maybe a bit over the top but they will not be far off |
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It's clear to see that the Conservatives have gone with the old "you think we're bad? Look at what those guys are doing!" approach to their campaign.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"It's clear to see that the Conservatives have gone with the old "you think we're bad? Look at what those guys are doing!" approach to their campaign.'"
you mean, ACCURATE?
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"So why don't Labour simple campaign as a remain party and stop the idea that they are anything else?'"
Probably partly because the leader isn't pro-EU and partly because the party does fear losing leave voters like the Tories have lost remain voters.
Quote ="Sal Paradise"The idea that EU membership somehow protects you from a recession is not true and has been proved numerous times to be a false perception.'" Nobody has said this apart from you in an effort to create a straw man.
Being affected by a global downturn is in any event totally different to deciding to undermine your key trading arrangements thus precipitating a recession.
Quote ="Sal Paradise"Labour's spending plans are not credible - £1.2tn maybe a bit over the top but they will not be far off'"
What are your thoughts on the Tory spending plans. How much do they come to, can you give us a figure as they've been throwing huge amounts around recently in an effort to win over voters? |
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General Election: Claims on Labour spending should be viewed with caution
The costings splashed across Sunday's newspapers are not from Labour's manifesto because it has yet to be published.
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General Election: Claims on Labour spending should be viewed with caution
The costings splashed across Sunday's newspapers are not from Labour's manifesto because it has yet to be published.
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I’m going to say Conservative majority of 35.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Anybody fancy a prediction/guess at the result a month out from the poll?
I’m going to say Conservative majority of 35.'"
Hung parliament. Conservatives making up a government with whoever is desperate enough to play their stupid games. And the circus will roll on, and on, and on. |
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| Quote ="IR80"you mean, ACCURATE?
Labour nearly killed the country, they will not get another chance. Thankfully.'"
Just for balance, where is the ecconomy now, compared to when the Tories took office ?
Slashing and burning public services to provide tax cut's for those who are already well off is just morally corrupt.
I'm sure that you will remember Mrs May trying to justify huge cuts in front line policing and that we didn't require as many policemen, and yet now, they are embarking on the largest recruitment drive in history and for Boris to achieve these numbers, especially taking account of natural wastage, there would need to be 500,000 applicants - yeah, we're in great shape |
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"Probably partly because the leader isn't pro-EU and partly because the party does fear losing leave voters like the Tories have lost remain voters.
Nobody has said this apart from you in an effort to create a straw man.
Being affected by a global downturn is in any event totally different to deciding to undermine your key trading arrangements thus precipitating a recession.
What are your thoughts on the Tory spending plans. How much do they come to, can you give us a figure as they've been throwing huge amounts around recently in an effort to win over voters?'"
There is no guarantee we will not be in recession if we stay in the EU - like it or not we voted to leave so what do the politicians do - just ignore the vote?
The Tories spending seems reasonable - they have to do something, continued austerity is not a vote winner but their numbers are at least believable - £250bn on a green initiative is quite simply lunacy. |
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"There is no guarantee we will not be in recession if we stay in the EU - like it or not we voted to leave so what do the politicians do - just ignore the vote?
The Tories spending seems reasonable - they have to do something, continued austerity is not a vote winner but their numbers are at least believable - £250bn on a green initiative is quite simply lunacy.'"
The politicians shouldn't just ignore the vote but, when such stanch Tory remainers such as yourself, acknowledge that we could indeed be heading for a Brexit triggered recession, perhaps there is a stronger case than ever for asking whether, people would like to be worse off but, out of the EU or remain as they are and remain ?
At least we know that Farage and Boris have something in common, they are both compulsive liars.
No public election pact but, Farage has already broken his promise to "contest every seat" - I wonder what he will be doing after the election.
Mmm interesting ??
He has a habit of standing down after every election so, probably a nice cushy job in Boris's back office - no nepotism here though  |
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"The politicians shouldn't just ignore the vote but, when such stanch Tory remainers such as yourself, acknowledge that we could indeed be heading for a Brexit triggered recession, perhaps there is a stronger case than ever for asking whether, people would like to be worse off but, out of the EU or remain as they are and remain ?
At least we know that Farage and Boris have something in common, they are both compulsive liars.
No public election pact but, Farage has already broken his promise to "contest every seat" - I wonder what he will be doing after the election.
Mmm interesting ??
He has a habit of standing down after every election so, probably a nice cushy job in Boris's back office - no nepotism here though
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There is no indication that the public view has changed - I would agree with another vote if it were no deal against remain and everything was out in the open.
All politicians are liars and that includes Corbyn and McDonald. You know as soon as they open their lips they are tells lies. When was the last time you ever heard a politician answer a question directly
Farage is an odious individual - he now realises that standing against the Tories leaves the backdoor open and if it closes behind him it will not open in his lifetime. |
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Donald Trump told Farage and Johnson not to stand against each other, today they confirmed they will follow Trump’s orders.
Vote conservative, get a Donald Trump puppet, this means, lower food standards, lower welfare standard, chlorinated chicken, and more privatised healthcare.
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Vote conservative, get a Donald Trump puppet, this means, lower food standards, lower welfare standard, chlorinated chicken, and more privatised healthcare.'"
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"Donald Trump told Farage and Johnson not to stand against each other, today they confirmed they will follow Trump’s orders.
Vote conservative, get a Donald Trump puppet, this means, lower food standards, lower welfare standard, chlorinated chicken, and more privatised healthcare.'"
Lefty snowflake bingo. |
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"Donald Trump told Farage and Johnson not to stand against each other, today they confirmed they will follow Trump’s orders.
Vote conservative, get a Donald Trump puppet, this means, lower food standards, lower welfare standard, chlorinated chicken, and more privatised healthcare.'"
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| Quote ="Cronus"icon_lol.gif Lefty snowflake bingo.'"
For every snowflake there seems to be at least one xenophobe
However, snowflake or not, I do believe that Trump did suggest this and even now, the Brexit - Con Alliance (do you like the name  ) is gathering momentum and it would appear that Farage may be playing quite a clever game.
By only agreeing to step back from current Tory held seats, Farage could well end up holding the balance of power, which isn't great for anyone.
More extreme than Boris and happy to do whatever Trump wants, what do you think our futures will actually look like- Better or worse than we currently have ?
You'll be telling us next that there was no cyber attack on Labour HQ and that they are all "lefty snowflakes" |
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Some people are no longer capable of recognising the truth, which sadly helps the likes of Trump and Boris.
I did have to chuckle at the Tory representative on the daily politics program, trying to justify the Tory calculations of Labours spending plans and then squirming in her seat as the host suggested that the same formula be used to calculate the Tory spending pledges.
It seems like the current Tory lying mantra trickles all the way down to the foot soldiers.
Labour really need to come out fighting and get into their ribs.
I'm also curious as to how Farage is getting so much air time and yet The Libdems get somewhat less, despite having the greater number of MP's
Despite having a number of MEP's, the Brexit Party currently have zero Parliamentary MP's and yet Farage's ugly mug is all over the news every .day
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Some people are no longer capable of recognising the truth, which sadly helps the likes of Trump and Boris.
I did have to chuckle at the Tory representative on the daily politics program, trying to justify the Tory calculations of Labours spending plans and then squirming in her seat as the host suggested that the same formula be used to calculate the Tory spending pledges.
It seems like the current Tory lying mantra trickles all the way down to the foot soldiers.
Labour really need to come out fighting and get into their ribs.
I'm also curious as to how Farage is getting so much air time and yet The Libdems get somewhat less, despite having the greater number of MP's
Despite having a number of MEP's, the Brexit Party currently have zero Parliamentary MP's and yet Farage's ugly mug is all over the news every .day
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I did have to chuckle at the Tory representative on the daily politics program, trying to justify the Tory calculations of Labours spending plans and then squirming in her seat as the host suggested that the same formula be used to calculate the Tory spending pledges.
It seems like the current Tory lying mantra trickles all the way down to the foot soldiers.
Labour really need to come out fighting and get into their ribs.
I'm also curious as to how Farage is getting so much air time and yet The Libdems get somewhat less, despite having the greater number of MP's
Despite having a number of MEP's, the Brexit Party currently have zero Parliamentary MP's and yet Farage's ugly mug is all over the news every .day'"
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