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| Quote ="PrinterThe"Interesting some of the reactions/views coming from the Grendfell Tower fire with some saying it's a revenge act against Muslims for the recent terrorist attacks.'"
And do you think that is the case here
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| Quote ="bren2k"It's Grenfell.
Who is saying that? I'm usually across the news, and I haven't heard that said anywhere, by anyone. I did see the Daily Mail print a picture of an Ethopian guy who's faiulty fridge apparently started the fire, but notably, they didn't print any pictures of any of the people who decided to allow the building to be clad in flammable material; or the 72 Tory landlords who voted down Corbyn's bill to make it mandatory that all rented property should be safe and habitable...'"
The interview was conducted by Victoria Devonshire.
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"The interview was conducted by Victoria Devonshire.'"
I assume you mean Derbyshire - and either way, that one has got past me; I've seen nothing related to a revenge attack - apart from last night of course, when a real life one occurred. Congratulations to those people who want to create division and pit us against each other - that's a win for Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins, the Daily Mail and all their hateful ilk - and of course ISIS, because this is exactly what they want when they target innocent people in the UK.
It's genuinely scary to think about where this will end.
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| Quote ="bren2k"I assume you mean Derbyshire - and either way, that one has got past me; I've seen nothing related to a revenge attack - apart from last night of course, when a real life one occurred. Congratulations to those people who want to create division and pit us against each other - that's a win for Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins, the Daily Mail and all their hateful ilk - and of course ISIS, because this is exactly what they want when they target innocent people in the UK.
It's genuinely scary to think about where this will end.'"
People having genuine concerns about immigration, and specifically immigration from countries where the UK is, to put it lightly, not thought very well of, is not hatred, it's just common sense. You wouldn't invite a man who had designs on sleeping with kids into your family home, would you?
Last night's attack was, unfortunately, inevitable. But you could of course say that if we didn't have a problem with Islamic terrorism (which we clearly do), a nutjob like last night's attacker would have no motive. But then if 'we' hadn't flattened cities in the Middle East on false pre-tenses then maybe we wouldn't have an Islamic terrorist problem either.
Either way, an eye for an eye makes the world go blind etc.... These are bad times we're facing.
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| Quote ="bren2k"I assume you mean Derbyshire - and either way, that one has got past me; I've seen nothing related to a revenge attack - apart from last night of course, when a real life one occurred. Congratulations to those people who want to create division and pit us against each other - that's a win for Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins, the Daily Mail and all their hateful ilk - and of course ISIS, because this is exactly what they want when they target innocent people in the UK.
It's genuinely scary to think about where this will end.'"
What happened last night was inevitable and exactly one of the reasons why people say we need to get tougher on Muslim extremists. The staggering naivety of people to think we could keep having attack after attack after attack and just react with "carry on as normal", hashtags #prayfor and candlelight vigils and shooting down and dismissing anyone who says more needs to be done and we need to be tougher.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"What happened last night was inevitable and exactly one of the reasons why people say we need to get tougher on Muslim extremists. The staggering naivety of people to think we could keep having attack after attack after attack and just react with "carry on as normal", hashtags #prayfor and candlelight vigils and shooting down and dismissing anyone who says more needs to be done and we need to be tougher.'"
Where has anyone said we should just carry on as normal? Anyone?
What do you suggest we do tougher?
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"What happened last night was inevitable and exactly one of the reasons why people say we need to get tougher on Muslim extremists. The staggering naivety of people to think we could keep having attack after attack after attack and just react with "carry on as normal", hashtags #prayfor and candlelight vigils and shooting down and dismissing anyone who says more needs to be done and we need to be tougher.'"
How should we get tougher - bigger vans?
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| Quote ="bren2k"How should we get tougher - bigger vans?'"
The attack at Finsbury Park is exactly the reaction that ISIS would wish for as it starts to turn this into a religious war, which perhaps, is what we already had.
However, this is dangerous territory and it wouldn't take much for these things to become regular tit for tat events and where that would leave us is anyone's guess.
I dont think that any one has the answers to this and we're all heading for a very uncertain future
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"The attack at Finsbury Park is exactly the reaction that ISIS would wish for as it starts to turn this into a religious war'"
Which is exactly what I said earlier; we have hate preachers on both sides and the root cause of both needs to be addressed. Meanwhile, for every far right nutjob who carries out some kind of revenge attack, ISIS notch up another win.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Which is exactly what I said earlier; we have hate preachers on both sides and the root cause of both needs to be addressed. Meanwhile, for every far right nutjob who carries out some kind of revenge attack, ISIS notch up another win.'"
Yup, there are a MINORITY of fanatics on both sides, this will only get worse I am afraid.
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| Quote ="PCollinson1990"Yup, there are a MINORITY of fanatics on both sides, this will only get worse I am afraid.'"
Ill-thought out knee jerk reactions will make things worse. From Blair/Bush & the war on terror to Grenfell people need to get an informed picture of events before an understandable extreme reaction.
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| Quote ="tigertot"Ill-thought out knee jerk reactions will make things worse. From Blair/Bush & the war on terror to Grenfell people need to get an informed picture of events before an understandable extreme reaction.'"
[url=https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3838787/piers-morgan-tommy-robinson-good-morning-britainNever thought I'd have praise for Piers Morgan[/url
But he is one the money here!
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| Tommy - have you seen some of the evil stuff in the Bible?
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| Quote ="PCollinson1990"[url=https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3838787/piers-morgan-tommy-robinson-good-morning-britainNever thought I'd have praise for Piers Morgan[/url
But he is one the money here!'"
Why put his "guest" on TV at any time, never mind in the current political climate.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Why put his "guest" on TV at any time, never mind in the current political climate.'"
To show that the right wing fanatics are just as bad? (It's called balance)
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| Quote ="PCollinson1990"[url=https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3838787/piers-morgan-tommy-robinson-good-morning-britainNever thought I'd have praise for Piers Morgan[/url
But he is one the money here!'"
It was ridiculous grandstanding to have him on in the first place - particularly in the current climate.
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| Quote ="bren2k"It was ridiculous grandstanding to have him on in the first place - particularly in the current climate.'"
Sometimes it can work well in fairness. I remember the time Nick Griffin was invited onto Question Time and everyone was going absolutely mental saying he shouldn't be given a platform. But he was, a much higher audience than usual watched, he made himself look an absolute clown and that was the end of the BNP. Unfortunately people like Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins aren't quite as thick as Nick Griffin though.
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| From what I saw Robinson was not allowed to speak and rent-a-gob Morgan just shouted him down. That did not allow Robinson to either come across as nasty or thick - that was what Morgan looked.
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| Quote ="Dally"From what I saw Robinson was not allowed to speak and rent-a-gob Morgan just shouted him down. That did not allow Robinson to either come across as nasty or thick - that was what Morgan looked.'"
agreed.
They allowed him to take a copy of the muslim's favoured book of fairy tales to the interview and wave it around, then yelled at him for disrespecting people's religious beliefs; for mine, any religion that can't bear criticism has some fundamental problems in and of itself - besides which, disrespecting religion is probably the least egregious thing that this odious character does. If they were intending to allow him to be hoisted by his own petard, that would require actually allowing him to speak, then deconstructing his dimwitted arguments on air.
Piers Morgan, self-aggrandizing loudmouth that he is, was not the right interviewer; I'm unsure why his playing to the gallery has been so well received.
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| "That was 7 years ago Piers"...im more savvy now and disguise my racist views, and I apologised (for being caught on camera being a racist gob****).
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| Jewish people are safer in Jerusalem, Israel by a country mile than in Manchester, UK.
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| Quote ="RLRealist"Jewish people are safer in Jerusalem, Israel by a country mile than in Manchester, UK.'"
How many Jews, Israilies are attacked/killed in Manchester, and how mamy are killed in Jerusalem. I await your findings to your statement.
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| Didn't get an answer I see. Daily Mail reading walloper I suspect!
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| No proof to back up your claim RLrealist?
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