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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"Paranoid? Do you even know what that means?
Sadly, you need them. Pretty much anyone reading this thread can see that you're an idiot and I'm slapping you around.
Now, I don't need people to defend me because I can READ and UNDERSTAND our discussions. You do need someone to tell you that you are stupid. But the problem is that it's kind of awkward to tell people that they're thick. So they just step back and feel bad for you. While also thinking that you should have spent more time in school and less time sniffing glue.
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All bollox, but you seem intent on bigging yourself up, so be it, congratulations.
Quote The employees of SD have had a bumper windfall. That's great for them. Right now.'"
Agreed.
Quote The details of whether that is actually so great are hidden behind the headlines. The fact that Ashley's first concern was his own pocket suggests something might be amiss.'"
And for all the bollox you've spouted perhaps there's nothing amiss?
Perhaps he just feels like redistributing some of his companies record earnings amongst his excellent staff?
Perhaps the tax-man would gobble it up otherwise?
And yes, businessmen/company owners are generally concerned with their own pockets, it's generally why they do what they do.
Didn't you know that?
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"
If next month it emerges that Ashley took home a 50m bonus in his scheme I think he'll be very pleased that the people are as stupid as you.'"
It's no longer a publicly quoted company, we (the public) shouldn't give a damn what happens to the profits. The only person that will be concerned is the taxman and given all the attendant publicity, I can't imagine Ashley trying to pull a fast one there. Unlike Philip Green, who managed to channel all profits through his Monaco-based wife, simply to avoid UK tax.
One thing is for sure, when the SD employees start spending their money, it's a fair bet that money will be spent in the UK, so stimulating the economy
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| Quote ="WIZEB"You're a paranoid little twerp.
I don't want people coming to my defence, unlike you, you stupid little fookwit moron.
You're making things up, again, about any bodily functions I might, or might not be be carrying out.
Whether I agree or disagree with your perception of why Ashley is awarding a minimum of 43K to his employees is totally irrelevant.
Like Coddy says it properly suits the company for tax efficiency purposes, but I'll applaud him b'cos I don't know of many other companies who give half their employees who earn under 20 k a year a 43 k bonus, do you?'"
Nice bit of abuse there. Wonder if the mods will act?
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| Quote ="Ajw71"icon_lol.gif Nice bit of abuse there. Wonder if the mods will act?'"
Did you miss the initial [istupid[/i and [iretard[/i comments?
I like a bit of redistribution of slagging.
Were all big boys and girls on here aren't we?
Apart from you, of course Ajw.
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| Quote ="WIZEB"Did you miss the initial [istupid[/i and [iretard[/i comments?
I like a bit of redistribution of slagging.
Were all big boys and girls on here aren't we?
Apart from you, of course Ajw.
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All abuse of people on internet forums is pathetic. Just shows that your inability to be able to construct an argument.
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| Quote ="Ajw71"All abuse of people on internet forums is pathetic. Just shows that your inability to be able to construct an argument.'"
Ah, you did miss it then?
Unsurprised.
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| Quote ="WIZEB"Did you miss the initial [istupid[/i and [iretard[/i comments?'"
I have abused many people on here.
Calling your arguments retarded and stupid isn't abuse, it's the truth.
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| Quote ="Ajw71"All abuse of people on internet forums is pathetic. Just shows that your inability to be able to construct an argument.'"
I believe I offer reasoned opinions on here. I prefer to debate facts.
If someone ignores the facts and chooses to have a cheap dig into my ribs, I'll try and break his/her nose.
How far am I willing to go? Way too far.
But I don't think I've too often gone too far on anyone who hasn't been asking for it.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"I believe I offer reasoned opinions on here. I prefer to debate facts.
If someone ignores the facts and chooses to have a cheap dig into my ribs, I'll try and break his/her nose.
How far am I willing to go? Way too far.
But I don't think I've too often gone too far on anyone who hasn't been asking for it.'"
That statement is reminiscient of Brian London's after he fought Cassius Clay
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"I believe I offer reasoned opinions on here. I prefer to debate facts.
If someone ignores the facts and chooses to have a cheap dig into my ribs, I'll try and break his/her nose.
How far am I willing to go? Way too far.
But I don't think I've too often gone too far on anyone who hasn't been asking for it.'"
You're a fooking loony.
It was you who came on here talking fooking gibberish about BS bombs exploding everywhere.
I praised Ashley for rewarding his staff with a 43k bonus to which you took exception citing ulterior motives.
Fair enough, but don't start feeling sorry for yourself, and crying like a little girl.
Sweet dreams.
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| Quote ="WIZEB"
Fair enough, but don't start feeling sorry for yourself, and crying like a little girl.
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Be careful - he / she finds it stressful using a paper map! Name calling could send him / over the top.
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| Quote ="Dally"Be careful - he / she finds it stressful using a paper map! Name calling could send him / over the top.'"
Fair dinkum.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"That statement is reminiscient of Brian London's after he fought Cassius Clay'"
I wasn't born at the time, but Brian London didn't fight Cassius Clay. He fought Muhammad Ali.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"I wasn't born at the time, but Brian London didn't fight Cassius Clay. He fought Muhammad Ali.'"
Correct, Clay became Ali shortly after the Liston fight, I think London fought him a few years later.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"
If next month it emerges that Ashley took home a 50m bonus in his scheme I think he'll be very pleased that the people are as stupid as you.'"
It's not a bonus in the conventional sense. Ashley takes no other income from the company, he doesn't even draw a salary from it. If the company hits pre-agreed targets then he gets well rewarded, if they don't then he doesn't.
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| Quote ="Ajw71"All abuse of people on internet forums is pathetic. Just shows that your inability to be able to construct an argument.'"
Hilarious coming from you.
Unless you consider that pop-up, make an unproven comment and then play forum hide-and-seek constitutes constructing an argument.
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| Quote ="Derwent"It's not a bonus in the conventional sense. Ashley takes no other income from the company, he doesn't even draw a salary from it. If the company hits pre-agreed targets then he gets well rewarded, if they don't then he doesn't.'"
Wasting your time.
The shareholders at SD seem to be on top of the situation even if random internet posters aren't.
No smoke and daggers or BS bombs.
All pretty transparent as far as one can see.
And well done SD, 72K an employee.
[urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/jul/18/sports-direct-staff-bonus-mike-ashley[/url
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Quote ="WIZEB"Wasting your time.
The shareholders at SD seem to be on top of the situation even if random internet posters aren't.
No smoke and daggers or BS bombs.
All pretty transparent as far as one can see.
And well done SD, 72K an employee.
[urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/jul/18/sports-direct-staff-bonus-mike-ashley[/url'"
Yep.
www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011 ... ntive-plan
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Quote ="WIZEB"Wasting your time.
The shareholders at SD seem to be on top of the situation even if random internet posters aren't.
No smoke and daggers or BS bombs.
All pretty transparent as far as one can see.
And well done SD, 72K an employee.
[urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/jul/18/sports-direct-staff-bonus-mike-ashley[/url'"
Yep.
www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011 ... ntive-plan
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| Quote ="Derwent"It's not a bonus in the conventional sense. Ashley takes no other income from the company, he doesn't even draw a salary from it. If the company hits pre-agreed targets then he gets well rewarded, if they don't then he doesn't.'"
Steve Jobs took a salary of $1 a year from Apple when he went back.
No doubt UNWISEC would offer Jobs a huge for that.
But the details behind that were that he was getting billions from being granted shares. He even had his booty spanked because of an illegal share option he signed off on, if I remember correctly.
And, oh yeah, his employment contract also gave him a fully expensed company vehicle to use as he pleased. That company vehicle just happened to be a Gulfstream private jet. I don't know how much they cost back then, but they go for about $50m now.
My point ever since I got involved in this thread that it's not the headlines that matter, it's the details.
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| Quote ="WIZEB"Wasting your time.
The shareholders at SD seem to be on top of the situation even if random internet posters aren't.
No smoke and daggers or BS bombs.
All pretty transparent as far as one can see.
And well done SD, 72K an employee.
[urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/jul/18/sports-direct-staff-bonus-mike-ashley[/url'"
And if you read the comments, only 2,000 of his 18,000 staff are eligible for the bonuses.
The other 16,000 are on zero hour contracts.
But obviously, details like this make no difference to you. (I don't know whether they are even true, but they paint a different picture from the headlines.)
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"Steve Jobs took a salary of $1 a year from Apple when he went back.
No doubt UNWISEC would offer Jobs a huge
for that.
But the details behind that were that he was getting billions from being granted shares. He even had his booty spanked because of an illegal share option he signed off on, if I remember correctly.
And, oh yeah, his employment contract also gave him a fully expensed company vehicle to use as he pleased. That company vehicle just happened to be a Gulfstream private jet. I don't know how much they cost back then, but they go for about $50m now.
My point ever since I got involved in this thread that it's not the headlines that matter, it's the details.'"
Listen, I'm sick of you but you obviously don't want to argue just the [idetail[/i.
You invented an imaginary, hypothetical figure of 50 million that Ashley might receive to argue the toss.
You made it up, it's bollox, a hand detonated BS bomb thrown in by yourself.
From what I've read the shareholders knocked him back on half that amount.
Do you, or do you not think SD's intended bonus scheme to it's employees is commendable?
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| Quote ="WIZEB"Listen, I'm sick of you but you obviously don't want to argue just the [idetail[/i.
You invented an imaginary, hypothetical figure of 50 million that Ashley might receive to argue the toss.
You made it up, it's bollox, a hand detonated BS bomb thrown in by yourself.
From what I've read the shareholders knocked him back on half that amount.
Do you, or do you not think SD's intended bonus scheme to it's employees is commendable?'"
I do not know whether SD's bonus scheme is good or bad. In the headlines it's sounds great. On deeper reading it sounds like it's a bonus scheme that will massively benefit a lot of already very well paid people, maybe some lucky long time shop workers, but the vast majority of the employees will get nothing out of it and will be just hoping that they don't get their hours cut down to zero.
If I was a board member and I was pocketing a million I'd be celebrating. If I was a hardworking, minimum wage zero hours worker who busted by ass last year I'd feel like a mug and look for somewhere new to work.
Without having access to the entire details of the scheme I cannot judge. Judging by the headlines means it looks great. The deeper facts it just looks like the rich get richer and the poor worker gets screwed.
From where I'm sitting, it just sounds very fishy. But the truth is that I don't know and I probably never will be in a position to receive enough of the details to properly judge.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"I do not know whether SD's bonus scheme is good or bad. In the headlines it's sounds great. On deeper reading it sounds like it's a bonus scheme that will massively benefit a lot of already very well paid people, maybe some lucky long time shop workers, but the vast majority of the employees will get nothing out of it and will be just hoping that they don't get their hours cut down to zero.
If I was a board member and I was pocketing a million I'd be celebrating. If I was a hardworking, minimum wage zero hours worker who busted by ass last year I'd feel like a mug and look for somewhere new to work.
Without having access to the entire details of the scheme I cannot judge. Judging by the headlines means it looks great. The deeper facts it just looks like the rich get richer and the poor worker gets screwed.
From where I'm sitting, it just sounds very fishy. But the truth is that [uI don't know and I probably never will[/u be in a position to receive enough of the details to properly judge.'"
Progress, I've been owned, we'll draw a line under it and move on.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho" ...But the truth is that I don't know and I probably never will be in a position to receive enough of the details to properly judge.'"
Me neither.
Mind you, I decided that two pages ago.
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"Me neither.
Mind you, I decided that two pages ago.'"
Well I *knew* it even I read the original link.
But you can still judge the figures that are presented before you.
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