You can't blame for anything - none of it was their fault they could not have done anything more?

This is the party whose leader congratulated the banks on doing such a good job - you need a reality check.

Noooo, it's poor peoples fault - they're paying for their silly mistakes.

If the British political system worked as it is SUPPOSED TO I'd be more than willing to make Corbyn favourite as the next leader of the country. His politics are at least within the same solar system as the Common Man's (barring the usual aspirational wannabees and weirdos).

But if the role of Prime Minister ever carried much clout it leaked away a long, long time ago.

I certainly don't think the position has wielded much authority internationally since the humiliating climb-down on Suez.

Political leaders these days are little more than well-paid fall guys. Their job is to divert the public's attention away from the true source of power (big business, finance, defence, drug-trafficking etc.). How long they last in the job really does depend on how well they manage to insulate their benefactors from harmful legislation (or prosecution). Like a sponge they soak up enmity until reaching a point of super-saturation whereupon their masters cut them loose in favour of a new shiny object which will distract the masses.

In the (incredibly rare) event that one of them decides to develop a mind of his own then there are a whole suite of tools designed to remind him of the fragility of his position.

Once out of office they are immediately isolated from prying investigation and quietly go about enjoying the rich rewards they earned from selling their souls.

The whole system is broken from top to bottom.

I'd say it was working exactly as designed to. There's nothing broken about it.

Well, yes. It's all about perspective.

If you are an aristocratic elitist then yes.

And whom were the people who designed the system?

So.... Corbyn has rompt to victory with nearly 60% of the vote, with a 75% turn out.

I suspect Cameron and his gang will be enjoying their beer tonight. Jobs secured for the next 10 years

Both Tom and Jerry's speeches were shocking at the conference. 'Comrades and movement', what sort of terminology is that in 2015!

As if May wasn't good enough then this happens.

What, you continuing to post nonsense based on ignorance and dogma.

If I were you I would consider checking to see if there is a case against the education authority or maybe others for not teaching you how to think etc.

There are people around who care, probably much to your disappointment, but they can help you.

You seriously think the re-emergence of "Keep the red flag flying" is going to endear Corbyn/Labour to the electorate? seriously you are another that needs a reality check. The emergence of McClusky on the stage at the victory parade should have been something Corbyn should have been looking to avoid. Re-nationalisation and increased union powers - who is seriously going to vote for that?

It makes the forthcoming period of politics interesting if just for farcical reasons. Astonishing what has happened.

Its great for the country that the Tories can draw up a long term plan for the country whilst Tom and Jerry spend each Sat attending demonstrations in Hyde Park dressed in Donkey Jackets.

Good to see Labour electing a white, middle class, male career politician.

Given that absolute wages have plummeted in this country over the past few decades and the fact that unionised labour is consistently better paid than non-unionised - more than you might think.

I challenge you to prove the last statement. Union membership is falling - strange that - when the financial benefits in your strange mind are so obvious!!

Those increased "closed shop" unions called the BMA, fighting for their members regarding 7 day working, much to the annoyance of people who would like this. the " closed shop"
Law Society fighting the government regarding legal aid etc. The NFU having a go about decreased SUBSIDIES for their members. Need I go on? Don't forget these Union leaders are very well paid, just like the 1st divi on of the civil service.
Yeh unions holding the country to ransom! hypocrisy.
Like AJW, you are also a sad indictment of the education system which has let you down.
Help is available, you choice, but if you want to stay in a state of struggling to think, then your choice. You are missing out on so much.

You "challenge" me?

I have found it to be the case. If you don't have a unionised workforce the employer dictates what the payrise will be so if they say it's 0% that's what you get (as has happened to many over the past three decades).

"You choice"? Did you and AJW get the same education? Or were you trying to belittle him/her because you've nothing left other than petty insults. Just write "WAAAHHHHH....Tories" in future it'll save time.

Quote ="Sal Paradise"You seriously think the re-emergence of "Keep the red flag flying" is going to endear Corbyn/Labour to the electorate? seriously you are another that needs a reality check. The emergence of McClusky on the stage at the victory parade should have been something Corbyn should have been looking to avoid. Re-nationalisation and increased union powers - who is seriously going to vote for that?'" Re-nationalisation: https://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/11/04/na ... ay-public/ "68% of the public say the energy companies should be run in the public sector, while only 21% say they should remain in private hands. 66% support nationalising the railway companies while 23% think they should be run privately." Quote ="Sal Paradise"I challenge you to prove the last statement. Union membership is falling - strange that - when the financial benefits in your strange mind are so obvious!!'" According to The Wage Impact of Trade Unions in the UK Public and Private Sectors by David Blanchflower, there's an estimated 10% mark up on wages in the UK for those in unions compared to matched individuals not in unions, with wage dispersion also 25% lower in firms with unions. Union membership is falling due to reasons such as de-industrialisation, more flexibile labour markets than previously and legislation which has weakened unions; I recommend you read Blanchflower's International Patterns of Union Membership if you want further explanation.

Quote ="Sal Paradise"You seriously think the re-emergence of "Keep the red flag flying" is going to endear Corbyn/Labour to the electorate? seriously you are another that needs a reality check. The emergence of McClusky on the stage at the victory parade should have been something Corbyn should have been looking to avoid. Re-nationalisation and increased union powers - who is seriously going to vote for that?'" Re-nationalisation: https://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/11/04/na ... ay-public/ "68% of the public say the energy companies should be run in the public sector, while only 21% say they should remain in private hands. 66% support nationalising the railway companies while 23% think they should be run privately." Quote ="Sal Paradise"I challenge you to prove the last statement. Union membership is falling - strange that - when the financial benefits in your strange mind are so obvious!!'" According to The Wage Impact of Trade Unions in the UK Public and Private Sectors by David Blanchflower, there's an estimated 10% mark up on wages in the UK for those in unions compared to matched individuals not in unions, with wage dispersion also 25% lower in firms with unions. Union membership is falling due to reasons such as de-industrialisation, more flexibile labour markets than previously and legislation which has weakened unions; I recommend you read Blanchflower's International Patterns of Union Membership if you want further explanation.

Quote ="Saint #1"Re-nationalisation: https://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/11/04/na ... ay-public/ "68% of the public say the energy companies should be run in the public sector, while only 21% say they should remain in private hands. 66% support nationalising the railway companies while 23% think they should be run privately."'" Of course they do, because they think they're being ripped off, and the only way of knowing that is to know how much energy would be if it was still being provided by the government so a comparison could be made. People like to moan and whine. The railways are already nationalised, the tracks and infrastructure are owned by the government, all the rail companies do is run the service, I'm pretty sure they don't even own the rolling stock.

Quote ="Saint #1"Re-nationalisation: https://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/11/04/na ... ay-public/ "68% of the public say the energy companies should be run in the public sector, while only 21% say they should remain in private hands. 66% support nationalising the railway companies while 23% think they should be run privately."'" Of course they do, because they think they're being ripped off, and the only way of knowing that is to know how much energy would be if it was still being provided by the government so a comparison could be made. People like to moan and whine. The railways are already nationalised, the tracks and infrastructure are owned by the government, all the rail companies do is run the service, I'm pretty sure they don't even own the rolling stock.

Does the employer dictate? Surely the market dictates. If the employer wants to hang on to his best staff he will incentivise them or they may move on. The days of the village working in the village pit has long gone.

Yep.



Never seen a cheque signed by "The Market".

I work in the technology sector and I can assure you that management concern themselves with the better staff leaving to competitors and as such pay well and provide amazing working environments. I would argue that's market driven.