The brain dead cesspittery of these morons who have attached themselves to the Tory party and their football supporter style political support are a constant reminder why I can't ever imagine being able to vote for the party again.

It's all about identity politics with them.

And I forgot to add. The 3 thousand or so uk residents who support Labour actually want this guy to be prime minister.

Lmao ok

Lmao. It was Labour who invited “football supporting style political support” to Downing Street back in the day to look cool. Aka Noel Gallagher for one.

Jesus Labour supporter are proper thick lmao. They have no idea what they are talking about lmao. Which is why you have no chance of winning an election. Ever.

Tell me how many officers have been prosecuted over the years, just in case Starmer was the only one who didn’t. I would also point out and I don’t know why I am but being the head of the CPS does not mean you decide on the merits of every prosecution. I doubt anyone arrested for shoplifting would have their case referred to the head of the CPS to decide if to prosecute. I suppose with your superior brain you knew Saville was a paedophile in 2009.

Why are you using "you"? I've voted Tory three times as often as Labour in my life and am a member of another party entirely. But the levels of toxic idiocy people like you bring to this are tainting the party almost irreparably for intelligent people and younger voters.

You really are desperate, aren't you? Are you upset because your precious Bozo is under pressure? Are you worried that the next lie you're going to forgive him for could be [ireally[/i serious?

Anyone wanting to understand why the Tories are so far ahead in the polls should look at your posts.

TBF they are ahead in the polls due to an incompetent opposition. Starmer is focusing on trivia and cheap point scoring instead of the things that matter.

In all honesty, a lot of the Conservative voters I encounter seem to be up for an autocratic UK.

Nonsense
Everybody knows it was ‘ Pressure from the Tory Palace.”

Just remind me who Jim was fixing it for in there

Kobe Bryant’s widow must be so relieved you didn’t violate his name with your choice of nik, lmfao

I think most people would acknowledge that Johnson is unfit for office and it will only be a question of time before one of his errors is fatal.

Surely Labour have to offer more of an opposition - they don't appear to be offering anything? The woke agenda has overtaken the party to such a degree that all its guts have evaporated.

IMHO that is the reason Labour are showing so badly - they have no balls or any appetite for a dust up - too busy down on one knee and protecting males who like wearing dresses

I would agree and along with Nasir he did some great work at the CPS. The Met police seem to be untouchable. If you read Nasir's book you can see how tough it is to get a conviction even in what seems to be a clear cut case.

Look at what happens when we try to extradite undesirables - there will always be a lefty human rights lawyer will to defend the indefensible and the laws have loopholes that are being exploited so that dangerous criminals are allowed to remain here

As no party will ever get >50% what are you suggesting no seats just a straight party vote and the parties just appoint the representatives they want in parliament. How do you determine who is in power - the party that cobble together 51% in which case the MPs from Scotland are the king makers and very likely will control what goes on?

My hope is that Labour is pacing itself. The next general election is not until 2024. By then, some of the bigger hitters will hopefully leave their select committee roles and return to the front bench.

I’m much more interested in economic politics, so I hope to see it re-emphasised. But nationalist identity politics has been the basis of the Johnson takeover over the Conservative party, and Labour does need to reflect on how to respond. How much new support the Tories carry forward after he goes will be interesting.

Many price in the lying [ito other people[/i with Johnson, but a lot (weirdly) don’t think he’ll lie to them. Whether it is voters, wives, advisors or unionists. But when they realise they’ve been had they turn. While they’re bought in, they can ignore the callousness, snobbery and corruption showing through the holes in his bumbling bonhomie act - so I don’t expect the ‘let the bodies pile high’ or ‘John Lewis nightmare’ or ‘VIP contracting lane’ stuff to cut through... yet.

The weakness of proportional representation is, of course, the disproportionate power minor parties can have. For me the fear is Farage rather than the SNP - but it is the same principle. And to be fair, it was kind of ridiculous that Paul Nuttal’s UKIP returned no MPs in 2017 despite getting more than twice as many votes as the DUP, for example. A relief, but still an oddity of the system.

Maybe a broader spectrum of political representation would prevent the current widespread political alienation we seem to have now? Maybe, I don’t know. There’d be a fragmentation, and it’d be uncomfortable with some of the new parties we’d see.

I know we've said it before but what a weird world you seem to live in where you think this stuff is either true or important - and what dangerously hard right media you must be consuming to have led you down this rabbit warren.

Spot on. It's a fascinating phenomenon.

I wonder how much this comes back to the identity politics bound up with Brexit that has driven some to the Tory party.
Allowing the idea that Johnson could have lied about anything gives rise to the chance that he was lying about Brexit (I mean really if you hadn't twigged this by now there's not much hope but there remain millions of true believers). It's such a cult-like badge of identity now that anything which questions it or the integrity of the disciples has to be disregarded.

I think you live in a very unrealistic world where you can't seem to see what is actually going on in front of you. You appear to think the EU is some benign organisation who has an underlying interest in its citizens - I don't see that side of it.

The problem with wokeness is whatever you say you will be upsetting someone - that is the problem Labour seem to have. So instead of focussing on attacking the Tories on things that matter all you hear is Carpetgate, Cronism etc. Listen to the last few PMQs its embarrassing. Labour for some reason seem to be either out of touch or don't feel able to attack the Tories where it hurts. The NHS for a start - but perhaps they are weak here because they really wanted to turn it into the NCS. Getting back to normality quicker - again they are weak there because they want to extend the period of returning to normality etc. Getting kids education catch up - again they wanted schools closed longer and they have issues with the teaching unions.

To me money needs to spend getting the NHS back to running normally and reducing the waiting lists, kids need to catch up on their education and we need to open up quicker.

I don't know how you've done it but you've conflated "wokeness" (whatever that is but it appears to involve right wing folk getting upset about people being nice to other people) with substantive policy issues. The first is a distraction from discussing the second for which there are a multitude of huge issues from the past decade of failure.

I suppose it might be an accusation that liberals are so up tight about their boomer relatives misprounouncing Vaisakhi or themselves deciding on whether trans women are at an advantage in sports vs cis women, that they don’t also have time to put forward a broad vision for national renewal.

Or it could just be that concerns about honesty and integrity in public life are now considered woke, maybe? Like ‘who cares if Johnson is a scoundrel, as long as he gets the job done?’. It then comes down to what we think the job is, and if some people think it is delivering a very hard Brexit, blaming the EU for the inevitable problems associated with that and installing Union flags in more living rooms, it can be argued he is delivering.

Labour now (or soon-ish) has to decide if it can offer an alternative vision that is attractive to a portion of those people, or if it has to borrow some elements of what they already like. Leading in a new direction or representing more of what already exists.

Biden beat Trump, despite being about 160 years old, because enough people saw Trump for what he is. Eventually, I hope, Starmer will see off Johnson, despite being a bit wooden, because enough people will see Johnson for what he is. That said, it is astonishing to me that so many people haven’t seen it already, so you never can tell.

Lmao. Kier starmer has been found breaking lock down rules today. I look forward to the usual Labour fan boys saying either

1. Lying and say he hasn’t..or...
2. Whataboutery

I would be more worried about Johnson’s popularity if I was you and who paid to have Child number who knows bottom. This would be an ideal job for your because your nose is usually stuck up. I will let you work out what.

I suppose his list of crimes are diminishing, last week according to the mind of SC he organised a shooting by Police and allowed Saville to escape prosecution.

Mr Pot!
Mr Kettle is so pleased to see you.

I doubt very much Johnson will be leading the Tories into the next election - Stevie Wonder can see he will be a huge liability by that time - unless of course the polls remain as is.

By the time of the next election the economy will be on an upward curve which could be a challenge for Labour. The idea of greater state ownership wasn't attractive at the last election and it will not be at the next. The NHS will not be the issue it was and neither will Brexit - we will have learned to live with disfunctional relationship we negotiated - that is the way of business. All the predictions of long queues at Dover, food shortages haven't materialised and when we get back to a normalised holiday carry on the world will seem a much more pleasant place. What if Scotland get independence - Labour have no chance of power.