It's clearly beyond him. I'll leave him in his ignorance.

The majority agree with me, best to leave us all in our ignorance.

So its all Mark Duggans mothers fault, if she hadnt got pregnant all those years ago , there wouldnt have been any riots

All sorted

I did mention a few pages back that he was a nutter.

Didn't expect him to demonstrate it so aptly though.

C can still happen without A.
C could depend on B.
C could happen independently of both A and B.
They are all possibilities.
Would you accept that just from a mathematical point of view (or logical point of view)?
If you accept that, you can't definitely say A caused C.

Love how when people are losing an argument on this messageboard they immediately resort to dishing out abuse.

It's funny because it seems like it's the mods who do it most often, aren't they the ones supposed to be enforcing the rules?

I bet if I was to start dishing it out in response then I would be first to get banned too.

I've already had a 'warning' off a moderator for him abusing me?!

If you don't agree with my points, debate it out. Don't just start dishing out abuse. It really is quite immature that you can't construct an argument without resorting to abuse.

There is a difference between debating and repeating your (badly thought out) point until people are sick of it. Several posters have pointed out the flaw in your pointg yet you still think you are right. Oh and the addy you need is admin@rlfans.com.

There is a difference between debating and repeating your (badly thought out) point until people are sick of it. Several posters have pointed out the flaw in your pointg yet you still think you are right. Oh and the addy you need is admin@rlfans.com.

The only thing true in your argument is that A happened first.
If you were the person charged with coming up with the cause/s of the riots (assuming you were capable of doing that job) then I think that you would be more open to the possibilities and not just dive into what happened first as the cause (bad as it was).

Quote ="Big Graeme"There is a difference between debating and repeating your (badly thought out) point until people are sick of it. Several posters have pointed out the flaw in your pointg yet you still think you are right. Oh and the addy you need is admin@rlfans.com.'" Thank you. If you had read the thread, you will see that numerous people have agreed with my viewpoints. If people are sick of the debate then don't visit the thread any more, I don't force people to read my posts and I'm not forced to read others posts. What I don't do is dish out abuse for no apparent reason. I'm a grown up.

Quote ="Big Graeme"There is a difference between debating and repeating your (badly thought out) point until people are sick of it. Several posters have pointed out the flaw in your pointg yet you still think you are right. Oh and the addy you need is admin@rlfans.com.'" Thank you. If you had read the thread, you will see that numerous people have agreed with my viewpoints. If people are sick of the debate then don't visit the thread any more, I don't force people to read my posts and I'm not forced to read others posts. What I don't do is dish out abuse for no apparent reason. I'm a grown up.

Erm, no they haven't, yet again your comprehension is lacking.



Act like it then.

Erm yes they have. 'World of Redboy' and 'Smokey TA' I think.



You disagreed with my opinion so you dished out abuse.

Who is the one acting like a child?

Much as I would love to think the various personalities of Smokey count as numerous, two agreeing with you hardly qualifies and I'd start to worry if WoR agrees with me too.

A few agreed with me and a few disagreed, it's called debate.

I'd love to.

But you won't, simply repeating the same crackpot standpoint is not debate, its Violet Elizabeth Bott foot stomping of the highest order, akin to sticking your fingers in your ears and singing "La-la-la-la" when the grown ups talk.

Erm that's all the people who disagree with me do.

But it's ok for them to do that isn't it, if you agree with them?

Antoher one who talks about grown ups and then resorts to abuse the first chance he gets. How ironic.

I tried to look at a timeline of the whole riots, and this is what I found. [urlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14436499[/url Going on what what they've written, the riots in other parts of the country were a reaction to how the police had handled the riot in Tottenham. But without the death of Mark duggan, there would have been no protest march to the Police station or the rumour of a woman being attacked by police, or people setting fire to cars close to the police station and it kicking off from there.

I'll have a stab



I would do whatever it takes and would not worry about whats within reason at that given point in time. If it turns out others think its unreasonable after the event then thats just tough.

I suspect most people would.

You clearly don't understand the meaning of the word 'majority', never mind 'causation'.

It's been explained clearly enough by plenty of people. If you don't understand where you're going wrong by now I doubt you ever will.

Quote I tried to look at a timeline of the whole riots, and this is what I found. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14436499 Going on what what they've written, the riots in other parts of the country were a reaction to how the police had handled the riot in Tottenham. But without the death of Mark duggan, there would have been no protest march to the Police station or the rumour of a woman being attacked by police, or people setting fire to cars close to the police station and it kicking off from there.'" In a civilised country smashing things up, looting, burning peoples houses down is no way to react to a police failing.

Quote I tried to look at a timeline of the whole riots, and this is what I found. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14436499 Going on what what they've written, the riots in other parts of the country were a reaction to how the police had handled the riot in Tottenham. But without the death of Mark duggan, there would have been no protest march to the Police station or the rumour of a woman being attacked by police, or people setting fire to cars close to the police station and it kicking off from there.'" In a civilised country smashing things up, looting, burning peoples houses down is no way to react to a police failing.

All Duggans death did was cause a protest march

no one in Tottenham was thinking lets riot, lets loot and steal.

The 'rumour' of the assault of a protester caused a little anger among the towns folk

again though no one was thinking of looting or stealing but some wanted physical and actual retribution against the police so started pelting them with missiles

As this was happening it was being locally reported by BBM messenger and text messages that police were not reacting to provocation so more local undesirable joined in and set fire to vehicles too.

The news cameras came down and were filming (at the time) people burning a couple of cars and a bus and a shop as the police protected their station.

Then it turned into 'look the police are not moving and letting us do what we want'

Then every idiot, criminal, gang member, one parent child, opportunist in the area took that as a sign to loot and steal and burn with impunity, free from consequence as the police were not getting involved and vastly outnumbered.

People saw this on the media and copy catted, it was only when the police started heavy handed, zero tolerance, proactive policing that it stopped.

Regarding the riots, have you ever thought that events can run unconnected in parallel?
Or that there can be strands in events, like rope laid out in series on the ground in a time line, but they may not all be connected up. Pull one end and you see that it doesn't affect the extreme other end.
That's how things can happen, yet appear to have some loose connection.
People in London to a large degree and certainly people in other cities didn't come into the fray because of Duggan, they looked via the media and saw unchecked rioting and thought chavishly, we'll have some of that. So for them alone that was the cause.

Right. The thread has been cleaned.

Continue the discussion by all means – but if it goes off topic in the same manner again, then I will hand out bans.

I'll add ...

I locked this thread overnight a few days ago because of bickering but was persuaded to re-open. I asked for it to be kept civil at that point. I have read the posts which have been removed and have to say as well as being disappointed by them, had I have been around last night or first thing this morning the thread would have been locked.

Final warning on this topic ... Keep it civil or the thread goes.

I'm tempted to suggest that you need to grow up and get some.

But okay – I'm going to be more subtle, even in closing this thread.

Strange as it may seem, we – that's the mods – do not conspire against anyone else. We do not sit down and discuss who we 'like' and who we do not 'like'. We do not discuss what threads we 'like' and do not.

I am getting pretty ed off with the paranoid brigade, who appear to believe in conspiracy theories, regardless of the facts.

Now – that's a personal thing. So deal with it or not.

But hey - feel proud: you've finished off this thread.