You understand that Boris Johnson believes that both are for people like you and not for him, don’t you?

This is what irks me. I fully understand that rules and laws are for the "little people" and not for people of power and influence. But it was ever thus. I know Johnson is in the hot seat at the moment but the next in line whether he be Tory, Labour or monster raving looney will be EXACTLY the same.
You can't rise to a position of power without being a scheming, duplicitous . So why would you expect anything different?

You've been conditioned to think like this to just let it carry on unquestioned. It's the classic "they're all as bad as each other" defence. It's a stance usually peddled by the tabloids. The Daily Mail did it yesterday commenting on the Owen Paterson story. Their front page had a big photo of Paterson with "Shameless MPs sink back into sleaze". It should have said "Shameless Tory MPs sink back into sleaze". By saying MPs it covers them all and keeps you thinking they're all as bad as each other.

What a load of crap - you can rise up the ladder by being an ethical individual you just need to demonstrate with every move the value you add. Yes you need to be aware of the challenges and have a strategy as how you will execute that strategy but that doesn't mean you have to step on all your peer group to deliver it.

As I have said before with a majority the size of Johnson's comes challenges - he thinks he can do as he pleases - fortunately kick back from outside of Westminster usually concentrates his mind as it has this week. I wonder how much of this is protect his own backside?

"They're all the same". Such a dumb, deliberately ignorant perspective.

Was Thatcher on the take? Was John Major? Was Gordon Brown? Was Theresa May? No, no, no and no. They may have had terrible policies depending on your point of view but they were fundamentally honest people.

Twisting yourself wildly to justify continuing to support this guy is both hilarious and awful at the same time.

It's the first time for a long time when it felt like the media, journalists and the electorate actually woke up and said "hey, this is wrong". Even those in the most sycophantic of Tory corners realised the strength of feeling across the whole political spectrum and chose not to die on Owen Paterson's hill.

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I haven't been conditioned by anyone, certainly not by the Daily Mail

I agree with with your second paragraph but fundamentally disagree with your first

Where have I said any of the above were on the take?
I was talking about Johnsons abuse of his majority.
All of the above will have lied, schemed and indulged in back stabbing to reach their position of power.. That's what I meant by you'll get exactly the same.
If you believe any differently you are naive in the extreme.

I'm really not sure they will have. They were principled and honourable Prime Ministers. Ideologically I disagree with some of them very strongly indeed, but it doesn't stop me respecting them.

We'll have to agree to disagree.
But if you don't think Major was scheming and plotting being Thatchers back I think you're wrong. And Brown behind Blairs for that matter.

Well define scheming. It was actually an initially straight fight in the leadership election between Heseltine and Thatcher. Only in the 2nd round with most of the cabinet unconvinced about Heseltine leading them, did they urge Major to throw his hat in.

Oh, I must have forgotten about her, not.
Last time I looked, she was a long way from "running" the country.

The narrative and pattern that has formed under Bojo's reign, stinks the bloody house out.
The fact that you either cant see it, or, choose to ignore it, says quite a lot about you. but, you are of course welcome to your opinion.

There have always been poor MP's, right across the political spectrum and no doubt, there will be plenty more to come.
However, I don't recall a PM backing so many wrong doers, only for them to resign shortly after the particular "scandal".

He needs to have a word with Alan Sugar and learn how to fire someone.

Maybe you think that because they are in government, they should be able to do whatever they choose, without consequence.

Johnson is different.

I strongly dislike Cameron, and his lobbying for Greensill was a disgrace. I dislike May, and her role in the Windrush scandal. They have been duplicitous or nasty on occasion, through choice - and understand the consequences of being caught. Johnson is duplicitous to the core and thinks the world should be re-organised around him for his benefit, because he is special. He is different but he isn’t special… in my eyes at least. There are clearly people who can see something I can’t. Or maybe they’ve just bought the lovable bumbler routine, because they’re a bit docile.

When you've all done with your "pile on" please point me to my post where I have supported Johnson in this matter. I haven't. So at least stop putting words in my mouth

You tried the old they are all the same because a former Labour MP had been found guilty. The problem is that Labour have not tried to move the goalposts to protect her. In fact they have asked her to resign.

And has she? Have they sacked her? Not sure of the rules on this one.

LOL, You’ve piled on a few times yourself especially of the back of the forum Drunks, Jonny and Chissy,

They cannot sack her that is down to the voters. They have suspended her from the party so she is now an independent but that is all they can do. What about the Conservative MP who was suspended after being found guilty of sexual harassment did they sack him, no they removed the whip. They have subsequently reinstated him which is another area of concern about how the governing party is behaving.

Planning and plotting. In this case to remove Thatcher and implant Major

So Major plotted by not standing against the person he replaced and then voting for them until they withdrew. Not exactly Brutus was he.

That comes under the "politics" heading, not exactly corrupt or lacking in any political conscience and making the fecking rules up as you go, like the clown "running" the country.
Bojo is literally pleasing himself and his "style" is cascading down to his ministers and beyond.

You throw in one Labour politician, who has now become "independent" as some poor mans justification for our "Leader".
I can see why you like like him.

Or indeed Boris or Gove

Never said it justified Johnsons actions
Never said I like him
Never said any body was corrupt
Stated quite categorically Johnsons actions this week were ridiculous
But you carry on putting words in my mouth

They seek him here they seek him there that elusive Boris. This time in order to once again avoid a debate about his leadership he disappears up to Hexham by train so he cannot get back in time. They should tell him the debate is in the Garrick Club he would then fly back.
He is an embarrassment and no wonder we are the laughing stock.