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| Quote ="SaintsFan"If children do not understand the nuances of language - and one of the jobs of a teacher is to enable them to understand this - then they will never be in a position to express themselves clearly or ensure they have understood someone else correctly. '"
Which is entirely my point. You are tasked with teaching children to understand the nuances of language, and yet you are almost totally unable to express yourself clearly and coherently.
Quote ="SaintsFan"Unions have a role in policy making but how much influence do they have? '"
Enough for their views to at least be considered before policy is decided. Certainly more than 'none'. And whilst it could easily be argued that unions ought to have some influence, the same cannot be said of the church.
Then there's the fact, which you seem to keep ignoring, that 26 bishops sit in the House of Lords. They get to directly influence the laws that are enacted (or not enacted, as the case may be) by parliament. Again, much more influence than 'none'.
Quote ="SaintsFan" In the 1970s they had an inordinate amount of influence; sufficient influence in fact to help bring down a government. Today, well, those with extremist leaders can make life very awkward for customers and management alike and so they could be said to have influence but even so their influence is more constrained than it would have once been.'"
Constrained? Perhaps. Eliminated? Not at all.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Good job you aren't an educator then. If children do not understand the nuances of language - and one of the jobs of a teacher is to enable them to understand this -
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That's bloody rich coming from someone who thinks a lottery is discriminatory
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Quote ="SaintsFan"Good job you aren't an educator then. If children do not understand the nuances of language - and one of the jobs of a teacher is to enable them to understand this -
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That's bloody rich coming from someone who thinks a lottery is discriminatory'"
And that having a role in policy making equates to having no influence.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"And that having a role in policy making equates to having no influence.'"
Don't know how you managed it but you've posted in the future!
I've quoted a post not due to be made for 47 minutes!
See below.
Should interest the Admins.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"... the government has provided reassurance that creationism will not be taught as part of the science curriculum and so I would imagine that eases your fears? ...'"
Not good enough.
What is the point of a faith school except to promote that faith?
Education? Well, it wouldn't need to be labelled as a faith school if that was the sole aim.
No, indoctrination is the aim, under the guise of education, whether by direct "teaching" or by assimilation into a particular social group and it angers me that faith believers want to put such superstitious claptrap into the minds of children.
By the way, why do you keep mentioning about secularists and humanists running scared?
Surely it's the religious who are scared, hence the determination to believe in something which allays those fears but for which there is zero evidence?
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| Quote ="Wanderer"Don't know how you managed it but you've posted in the future!
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I've quoted a post not due to be made for 47 minutes!
See below.
Should interest the Admins.'"
Bloody neutrinos, they get everywhere.
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| Quote ="Wanderer"Don't know how you managed it but you've posted in the future!
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I've quoted a post not due to be made for 47 minutes!
See below.
Should interest the Admins.'"
Wonder where this one will go ....
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| Quote ="Wanderer"Quote ="Rock God X"And that having a role in policy making equates to having no influence.'"
Don't know how you managed it but you've posted in the future!
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It must be a sign! Praise Jesus!
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| Quote ="Wanderer"Don't know how you managed it but you've posted in the future!
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Quote ="Rock God X"It must be a sign! Praise Jesus!'"
... and again!
This is going to get messy ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| There is a God.
It's Rock God.
Get it on the curriculum sharpish.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"It must be a sign! Praise Jesus!'"
Can you also confirm that Trap 6 is going to win the 17:22 at Romford, o time lord?
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Quote ="Rock God X"It must be a sign! Praise Jesus!'"
Can you also confirm that Trap 6 is going to win the 17:22 at Romford, o time lord?'"
I won't have time tonight. Got tickets to see Elvis' 1968 comeback special.
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| =#0040BFRomford BAGS 12/01/2012
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| Bless you, my children.
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| Atheism definitely confirmed.
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| [url=http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2012/01/government-takes-action-to-combat-creationism-in-free-schoolsYes![/url
[url=http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2012/01/opus-dei-to-open-new-catholic-schoolsAnd in other, related news: more schools for the children of the Ruth Kellys of this world.[/url
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| Quote ="Mintball"
[url=http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2012/01/opus-dei-to-open-new-catholic-schoolsAnd in other, related news: more schools for the children of the Ruth Kellys of this world.[/url'"
Quote The secretive, sinister and extremely wealthy Catholic organisation Opus Dei - originally started by supporters of the fascist Franco regime in Spain - is sponsoring two secondary schools to open in Britain by September 2013.'"
If money is the root of all evil, is it just a coincidence that religious groups always seem to be awash with the stuff?
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| Quote ="Rock God X"If money is the root of all evil, is it just a coincidence that religious groups always seem to be awash with the stuff?'"
It rather amuses me that they do seem to ignore that stuff about camels and eyes of needles.
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| Quote ="Mintball"It rather amuses me that they do seem to ignore that stuff about camels and eyes of needles.'"
If only they took such a blase attitude towards homosexuality.
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| Oh, but [ithat's[/i important!
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| Quote ="Mintball"[url=http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2012/01/government-takes-action-to-combat-creationism-in-free-schoolsYes![/url
[url=http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2012/01/opus-dei-to-open-new-catholic-schoolsAnd in other, related news: more schools for the children of the Ruth Kellys of this world.[/url'"
And what does this mean if not indoctrination?
"[iit is announced that they will be "run with a distinctive Catholic ethos according to the charism of Opus Dei". The organisation will provide the chaplain, RE teachers and "doctrinal spiritual advice[/i".
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| "Why do secularists feel threatened by religious belief?" © SaintsFan
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| Quote ="Mintball"[url=http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2012/01/government-takes-action-to-combat-creationism-in-free-schoolsYes![/url'"
That certainly offers some hope that Intelligent Design will be kept out of free schools science classes. However, I wouldn't put it beyond creationist pressure groups trying to have the same strengths and weaknesses of evolution arguments inserted in the science curriculum that similar groups in America do.
Quote ="Mintball"[url=http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2012/01/opus-dei-to-open-new-catholic-schoolsAnd in other, related news: more schools for the children of the Ruth Kellys of this world.[/url'"
Quite how the catholic church can be deemed fit and proper to run a school is beyond me. Has it not been clearly shown that when the poop hits the fan, they put their own reputation before all other considerations.
I wouldn't trust them to run a bath.
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| Quote ="Neil"That certainly offers some hope that Intelligent Design will be kept out of free schools science classes. However, I wouldn't put it beyond creationist pressure groups trying to have the same strengths and weaknesses of evolution arguments inserted in the science curriculum that similar groups in America do...'"
Indeed. It's but a battle in the greater war.
Quote ="Neil"Quite how the catholic church can be deemed fit and proper to run a school is beyond me. Has it not been clearly shown that when the poop hits the fan, they put their own reputation before all other considerations...'"
Indeed.
Quote ="Neil"I wouldn't trust them to run a bath.'"
I like that. I may have to borrow it. ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/leading-articles/leading-article-an-establishment-dilemma-6290191.htmlIt seems that the CofE want all the benefits of establishment, but none of the responsibilities.[/url
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